Breed-ability critique

arabianlvr87 · 06-12-2006, 06:54 AM

So I know you all have done hundreds of these recently, so I tried my best to get good pictures of Miss Mona.

Please be honest about if you think she's "breed worthy".

Blistering Winds · 06-12-2006, 06:58 AM

Croup short and sharp, Back long, neck ties in too low, sharp shoulder, doesn't break into 3's evenly, throatlatch very thick...neck and body don't balance.

Honestly, I wouldn't use her myself. Too many things need to be corrected.

Usually I consider a mare with 3 or less faults...(ones that affect performance over beauty).

sheplovr · 06-12-2006, 07:02 AM

I was also going to say I do not like her croup, was not sure if she was standing high in the back. Her shoulds are very straight. You would need to pick one heck of a stallion to correct her faults, sorry. Still love horses.

arabianlvr87 · 06-13-2006, 03:41 AM

Okay, not exactly the responses I was hoping for, but thank you.

Any one else?
I did just realise these were taken from an angle. I had a fence on one side and a pesky Felicity on the other.

equi_babe_89 · 06-13-2006, 03:46 AM

I personally dont think that her predominant croup is a fault, it shows a good jumping ability and a powerfull back end.

Blistering Winds · 06-13-2006, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arabianlvr87

Okay, not exactly the responses I was hoping for, but thank you.

Any one else?
I did just realise these were taken from an angle. I had a fence on one side and a pesky Felicity on the other.

You asked for honesty...sorry.

IF you breed her, take her faults into consideration.

Biggest things I would want corrected is the back to be shorter so the horse will balance to the shoulder and hip areas....a cleaner tie in at the neck and chest, and the shoulder to come up to a more shallow of an angle.

Those would be the 3 things that I would be looking at a stallion for to assist in correcting the foal. I would look at the mares that he's been bred to, see what his genes are influencng the most, etc.

arabianlvr87 · 06-13-2006, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

You asked for honesty...sorry.

IF you breed her, take her faults into consideration.

Biggest things I would want corrected is the back to be shorter so the horse will balance to the shoulder and hip areas....a cleaner tie in at the neck and chest, and the shoulder to come up to a more shallow of an angle.

Those would be the 3 things that I would be looking at a stallion for to assist in correcting the foal. I would look at the mares that he's been bred to, see what his genes are influencng the most, etc.

No, No, No! I'm not mad, if something is wrong with her, then something is wrong with her.

I've known she has a long back since our first ride, but when we got her, we wanted a horse that was well trained, but had enough "quirks" I guess you can say, that she wouldn't become an easy ride in the first week of ownership, lol. And it doesn't hurt that I can ride her in one class, and my dad who's never had a riding lesson can get on right after me and she'll be good as gold.

I'm not breeding for the "fun" of it. Right now, she's competing really well. Currently, we're second(reserve) in one wp division, right below my good friend.
I've got a great trainer who works part time as a vet tech. He's bred her before, and her first baby is now getting trained under saddle with him.

What I'm looking at most is the movement he passes on to his foals, but I'll start looking at a shorter back and cleaner neck.

tightpaycheck · 06-14-2006, 05:18 AM

You know, I have noticed that many of the TOP wp horses do not have top conformation. Nobody judges the conformation, they judge the movement. I think it is a good decision to breed to another wp horse that is strong in her weak points, if you want to breed her.

Blistering Winds · 06-14-2006, 07:12 AM

Actually, conformation IS involved. Just not at the top of the list.

Two WP horses moving the same, same in everything, Judge is to take the better conformation up.

Same in all AQHA events. All things equal, default to conformation to split. This goes for all the placing.

So the conformation CAN make or break you going into the finals or taking home a placing.

sublimechic2222 · 06-14-2006, 08:39 AM

BW is right.
and id like to add..conformation DOES have an effect on the horses movement and abilities.

06-12-2006, 06:54 AM	#1
arabianlvr87 Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,567 Images: 294 Blog Entries: 158	Breed-ability critique So I know you all have done hundreds of these recently, so I tried my best to get good pictures of Miss Mona. Please be honest about if you think she's "breed worthy".

06-12-2006, 06:58 AM	#2
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,850 Images: 822 Blog Entries: 16	Croup short and sharp, Back long, neck ties in too low, sharp shoulder, doesn't break into 3's evenly, throatlatch very thick...neck and body don't balance. Honestly, I wouldn't use her myself. Too many things need to be corrected. Usually I consider a mare with 3 or less faults...(ones that affect performance over beauty). __________________ HGS is a very powerful, addicting place that is just as bad as cigarettes, however healthier for you AND your horse.

06-12-2006, 07:02 AM	#3
sheplovr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 645 Images: 22	I was also going to say I do not like her croup, was not sure if she was standing high in the back. Her shoulds are very straight. You would need to pick one heck of a stallion to correct her faults, sorry. Still love horses. __________________ .The people who make a difference in your life are not the ones with the most credentials, the most money, or the most awards ~ they are the ones who care. www.vomschreknhaus.com

06-14-2006, 07:12 AM	#9
Blistering Winds Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Augusta, Kansas Posts: 31,850 Images: 822 Blog Entries: 16	Actually, conformation IS involved. Just not at the top of the list. Two WP horses moving the same, same in everything, Judge is to take the better conformation up. Same in all AQHA events. All things equal, default to conformation to split. This goes for all the placing. So the conformation CAN make or break you going into the finals or taking home a placing. __________________ HGS is a very powerful, addicting place that is just as bad as cigarettes, however healthier for you AND your horse.

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06-13-2006, 03:41 AM	#4
arabianlvr87 Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,567 Images: 294 Blog Entries: 158	Okay, not exactly the responses I was hoping for, but thank you. Any one else? I did just realise these were taken from an angle. I had a fence on one side and a pesky Felicity on the other.

06-13-2006, 03:46 AM	#5
equi_babe_89 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: i live in Blackpool on the N.West coast of England Posts: 302 Images: 56	I personally dont think that her predominant croup is a fault, it shows a good jumping ability and a powerfull back end.

06-14-2006, 05:18 AM	#8
tightpaycheck Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NE PA Posts: 1,808 Images: 2	You know, I have noticed that many of the TOP wp horses do not have top conformation. Nobody judges the conformation, they judge the movement. I think it is a good decision to breed to another wp horse that is strong in her weak points, if you want to breed her.

06-14-2006, 08:39 AM	#10
sublimechic2222 Full Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: virginia beach Posts: 227 Images: 70	BW is right. and id like to add..conformation DOES have an effect on the horses movement and abilities.