Blue Tongue???

tlwidener · 10-24-2009, 05:33 PM

Rollkur caused blue tongue. . .

YouTube - Blue tongue World Cup

What is the long term effect of that?

KristinJ · 10-24-2009, 05:52 PM

I never quite understood rollkur. Like I know people will do stupid things and harmful things to make their horses look pretty and beautiful .. but this doesn't even LOOK appealing .. ? I don't get it.. Also is his horse still wearing stall bandages?? Anyway I only watched a few seconds of it to see the 'tongue' the rest is quite disturbing to me. But I do not think rollkur was a direct effect to the blue tongue. Some horses do stick their tongues out like that regardless of pressue on their mouths. It almost appeared at the beginning like someone tied the tongue out, like they do with racehorses .. but then you can see the rider try and stuff the tongue back in the mouth ...

doublebarr · 10-24-2009, 08:14 PM

Just looks to me like he's got his tongue over the bit is all. However, that constant overflexing doesn't give the impression of a soft horse at first glance. Or second or third or fourth. Gives the impression of a horse that is chargy and evading as much as it possibly can. I realize I don't ride Dressage, but I do know horses and for the life of me cannot see ANY benefit to this exercise for longer than a second or two. But what do I know?

Zanerkin177 · 10-24-2009, 08:23 PM

^ I agree w/ doublebarr.......however, it looks like it may be more then just a tongue over the bit...it's there more movement in the tongue when that happens?

IIIBarsV · 10-24-2009, 08:48 PM

See my rant about sidereins....

Who in gods name would want to ride like that????

IIIBarsV · 10-24-2009, 08:51 PM

First ten seconds of the video... he makes it look like his horse is very gracefully running away with him.

John · 10-24-2009, 08:51 PM

They are winning aren't they?

IIIBarsV · 10-24-2009, 09:28 PM

No win is worth enough to do that to a horse (IMO). And the sad part... in the background, other riders have their horses totally cranked in, also.

Silly part is... they take forever and a day to actually train these horses- the high levels are usually 10 yrs+. Maybe if they stopped putting the horse's heavy on the forehand to begin with, they wouldn't take so darn long to train them out of it with all their cranking and spurring.

Rowdy_Sandi · 10-24-2009, 09:39 PM

That's disgusting to watch. The horse's headset right after he tried to shove the tongue back in and completely relaxed the reins (the head went up, but the nose was still tucked) was far closer to being proper than the nasty headset he has ruined his horse with. If i were that horse, I'd be ticked and buck him off. Maybe stomp him a few times. Terrible excuse for dressage. The horse is extremely tolerant.

Jenje! · 10-24-2009, 10:21 PM

People are such jerks.

10-24-2009, 05:52 PM	#2
KristinJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 1,247 Images: 4	I never quite understood rollkur. Like I know people will do stupid things and harmful things to make their horses look pretty and beautiful .. but this doesn't even LOOK appealing .. ? I don't get it.. Also is his horse still wearing stall bandages?? Anyway I only watched a few seconds of it to see the 'tongue' the rest is quite disturbing to me. But I do not think rollkur was a direct effect to the blue tongue. Some horses do stick their tongues out like that regardless of pressue on their mouths. It almost appeared at the beginning like someone tied the tongue out, like they do with racehorses .. but then you can see the rider try and stuff the tongue back in the mouth ... __________________ Proud Owner of: Answer to Prayer (Nikki) 1984 American Quarter Horse Gelding Charms Bachelor Will (William) 2008 American Solid Paint Horse Gelding Rambo 1991 Minature Pony Gelding "Anything forced or misunderstood can never be beautiful." -Xenophon

10-24-2009, 08:14 PM	#3
doublebarr Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri Posts: 9,983 Images: 756	Just looks to me like he's got his tongue over the bit is all. However, that constant overflexing doesn't give the impression of a soft horse at first glance. Or second or third or fourth. Gives the impression of a horse that is chargy and evading as much as it possibly can. I realize I don't ride Dressage, but I do know horses and for the life of me cannot see ANY benefit to this exercise for longer than a second or two. But what do I know? __________________ Not being able to enjoy sarcasm is directly related to not having the ability to come up with sarcastic comments, which in turn creates a feeling of inadequacy, which in turn can spawn a Napoleon complex, that can cause someone to logicise that sarcasm is the humor of the stupid.~~~

10-24-2009, 08:23 PM	#4
Zanerkin177 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Army :D Posts: 1,291 Images: 7	^ I agree w/ doublebarr.......however, it looks like it may be more then just a tongue over the bit...it's there more movement in the tongue when that happens? __________________ A true leader has the confidence to stand alone, the courage to make tough decisions, and the compassion to listen to the needs of others. He does not set out to be a leader, but becomes one by the equality of his actions and the integrity of his intent.

10-24-2009, 08:48 PM	#5
IIIBarsV Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Eastern Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,371 Images: 27	See my rant about sidereins.... Who in gods name would want to ride like that???? __________________ Three Bars The Fifth Jags Fleeting Rocket Wish I'd Get Lucky Chipped In Stone Zip Code Bay B Suns Eternal Flame

10-24-2009, 08:51 PM	#6
IIIBarsV Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Eastern Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,371 Images: 27	First ten seconds of the video... he makes it look like his horse is very gracefully running away with him. __________________ Three Bars The Fifth Jags Fleeting Rocket Wish I'd Get Lucky Chipped In Stone Zip Code Bay B Suns Eternal Flame

10-24-2009, 08:51 PM	#7
John Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 3,747 Images: 60	They are winning aren't they?

10-24-2009, 09:28 PM	#8
IIIBarsV Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Eastern Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,371 Images: 27	No win is worth enough to do that to a horse (IMO). And the sad part... in the background, other riders have their horses totally cranked in, also. Silly part is... they take forever and a day to actually train these horses- the high levels are usually 10 yrs+. Maybe if they stopped putting the horse's heavy on the forehand to begin with, they wouldn't take so darn long to train them out of it with all their cranking and spurring. __________________ Three Bars The Fifth Jags Fleeting Rocket Wish I'd Get Lucky Chipped In Stone Zip Code Bay B Suns Eternal Flame

10-24-2009, 09:39 PM	#9
Rowdy_Sandi Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 309	That's disgusting to watch. The horse's headset right after he tried to shove the tongue back in and completely relaxed the reins (the head went up, but the nose was still tucked) was far closer to being proper than the nasty headset he has ruined his horse with. If i were that horse, I'd be ticked and buck him off. Maybe stomp him a few times. Terrible excuse for dressage. The horse is extremely tolerant.

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