[CrazyHorse]

He's probably hanging his tongue out because he can't breathe, poor boy

[Bernardo]

Originally Posted by doublebarr

Just looks to me like he's got his tongue over the bit is all. However, that constant overflexing doesn't give the impression of a soft horse at first glance. Or second or third or fourth. Gives the impression of a horse that is chargy and evading as much as it possibly can. I realize I don't ride Dressage, but I do know horses and for the life of me cannot see ANY benefit to this exercise for longer than a second or two. But what do I know?

I've been taking dressage lessons, and I find once you reach that collection point you could almost throw everything away and it would stay that way. You probably couldn't actually do it, but thats what it feels like you feel absolutely no resistance on the bit. I agree with your the overflexing doesn't make the horse look soft at all.

It's unfortunate because if these riders put a little bit more time and effort into working the body parts and such they probably could achieve the same effect.

That being said I don't necessarily think overflexing is bad when done in moderation. However, doesn't Rolkur make them break at the wrong spot in their poll or something? I think I heard that, I'm not totall sure I don't know enough about it.

But I know we overflex ours a bit at point. We'll pick up our hand and really drive them forward so they end up overbridled then you drop out and its pretty. However we don't make them go around like that for 20 minutes. It's more a hold hold hold until they give, which on a normal horse of ours is no more than 30 seconds in that position at a time and then release. I find this is beneficial, but the more beneficial aspect of it is what you get in the hind end and shoulders not what you get in the head and neck

[Rhythm 'n Blues]

It's sad yes. But that is a great demontration as how the horse ends up tense and unable to properly engage the hinney with the head & neck that curled. Now just image how that horse would acutaly move if he was allowed to use himself properly?? He'd be a true knock-out! & ya know.....if I could get my hands on him (fo free of course ) I'd take all the heart ache & fustration in stride....as I know once he was taught to not fear the bridle he'd be SUCH a wonderful horse to ride.....after the few years it would take to fix it though

[farmeress]

Sorry guys...that tounge is not over the bit of the curb or the snaffle...it is either pinched or being flattened with such extreme pressure that the blood flow to the tounge has been cut off...and yes...it does cause damage...not just to the tounge either...but the jaw.

Disgusting....if a horse is soooooooooooo uncomfortable witha double bridle that the tounge is out.....the rider is far far far to rough on the CURB...who the heck rides off that alone like that man is??????

That tounge hanging out is a resistance...not a habit...and would automatically have -2 in every markable movement to me...and the riders mark would be -4 for excessive curb use.

I have seen poor horses in the Dressage ring do this....and the riders wonder how come they have minuses marked to each movement....idiots!!!!

[Rhythm 'n Blues]

^^ Farmeress, you should sneak into the stalls of those show horses and steal them......well the really talented ones! hehehehehe Then send me a few

[farmeress]

Originally Posted by Rhythm 'n Blues

It's sad yes. But that is a great demontration as how the horse ends up tense and unable to properly engage the hinney with the head & neck that curled. Now just image how that horse would acutaly move if he was allowed to use himself properly?? He'd be a true knock-out! & ya know.....if I could get my hands on him (fo free of course ) I'd take all the heart ache & fustration in stride....as I know once he was taught to not fear the bridle he'd be SUCH a wonderful horse to ride.....after the few years it would take to fix it though

When you meet my new guy next year at a competition....you will see the difference....I recently purchased Tangert from his previous owner.....his curl was horrible (he showed this year...dark bay ridden by Debbie Woodrow)...yet looked how he ended in the standings...my hope...with the nose off the chest and the hind end active with him traveling straight....he will be in the top three in the level 3 placings next year...with me riding him even

It is quite a difference to ride....curled...I had no trouble with the extended trot...but relaxed and that hind end coming into play....I am almost shot to the moon with such power

[farmeress]

Originally Posted by IIIBarsV

First ten seconds of the video... he makes it look like his horse is very gracefully running away with him.

No doubt in my mind....the horse is in a controlled runaway moment

[Rhythm 'n Blues]

^^ Farmeress......where are the photos of this new horse???

[farmeress]

I do not have any yet...but he showed at Blue Star....Palgrave...Palgrave...Lydens (Quebec)
Buemount(Quebec)....so I should be able to find some with Deb riding him to post....she has no problem with me posting pictures of her on him.....he came to her that way and she has been trying to get the curlout....she was not having success...soooo...we did a trade on horses (with some extra $$ from me to her) and I am finally getting it through to him the he can actually look up and see where he is going instead of looking at the ground all the time.

[Rhythm 'n Blues]

Oh Farmeress, if you do find photos, let me know, I'd LOVE to see that guy! You should bring him down here to visit me....we can swap ponies for an hours ride :P hehehehehe