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    Question Blood spotting days before foaling? Questions!

    So, I know I've posted two threads on my pregnant mares, Kimi and Morgan, but I'm having some major issues with Morgan, right now.

    Morgan, my QH, has been spotting blood for a little over a week now. I've had to change her tail wrap because of how bloody it got. I called her vet and told her vet what was going on and she told me that the spotting would mean that she should be going into labor very soon, but when I told her the length of time in which she has been spotting, the vet told me that if Morgan does not produce a foal by Friday, she needs to be seen immediately. She did not tell me what could be causing the bleeding or if it was complete bad news. She just said that, 'it's not normal, at all." Should I be worried about this? Has anyone ever had to deal with a mare spotting blood *days* before actually foaling? Does anyone know what could be causing it?

    I also told the vet that there was a possibility that Morgan had been bred to a Percheron, and when she heard that she seemed to become even more worried. Is that something to be worried about, as well?

    Also, Morgan's udders have become swollen and are very hard, I just noticed that a few minutes ago. She's not lactating, but they are extremely swollen, and really firm.

    I've probably become some bothersome knob, but I really don't have the first clue on what to do, and the vet is not helping at all. When I asked the vet if she would need to be called when Morgan began foaling, this was her reply. "Only if you think she's having complications. Other than that, there is really no need for me to be present."

    I have never been present when a mare has foaled, can someone give me signs to look for if she's having complications? I've been reading non-stop on foaling for the past few weeks, but the complication articles are pretty vague...

    Please help if you can...

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    I am in no way an expert and I hope others respond but when my mare foaled last year I never saw blood before she gave birth. I would think your vet would know but that would seem worrisome to me - again I hope others chime in and put your fears to rest.
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    I know that you are coming up on foaling, but can you find a new vet in the next day or two??? I would not be a very satisfied client if I were in your shoes ... By the way, has she been the one following your mares through the entire pregnancy and doing ultrasounds etc?

    In terms of her bags, you said they are hard and swollen .... Are they also hot???

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornhuskergirl View Post
    I know that you are coming up on foaling, but can you find a new vet in the next day or two??? I would not be a very satisfied client if I were in your shoes ... By the way, has she been the one following your mares through the entire pregnancy and doing ultrasounds etc?

    In terms of her bags, you said they are hard and swollen .... Are they also hot???
    Yes, they are very warm, and still hard, and still *very* swollen. I just went and checked on her again.

    As for the vet question. Yes, it's the same vet. She's been working very closely with all our mares over the past few years. She also brought up Morgan possibly aborting, but I can still feel movement from the foal. I felt it yesterday and the day before. Today there wasn't a lot of movement, but Morgan was acting very agitated today. In the past week, Morgan has had days where one day she's fine, and the next day she seems stressed and irritable. Is that also normal? I figured her behavior was normal for being pregnant.

    I'm definitely going to take your vet advice, and try to find a new one.

    Thank you, Callie's Mom, I really appreciate the input. Every little thing is helping right now.

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    Id be concerned..maybe just touch up on red bag delivery just to be safe.

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    I suggest take her temperature..... see if she has a fever.... it can tell you if she has an infection.

    I would suggest reading up on viral and bacterial abortions too....

    also might be good to keep her away from the other mares incase she aborts.... you don't want the others too abort as well....
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    It isn't normal, and I'd be very concerned. Having said that, there's not a lot you can do (by which I mean right now a vet can't do anything and so, neither can you. It is possible that a blood vessel has ruptured and the foal is keeping the pressure on so the bleeding is stemmed. This is obviously a medical emergency as soon as your mare starts to give birth).

    What you can do is be prepared. Locate your nearest colostrum bank and see if there is a nursemare available in your area. You need your foaling kit including a foal resucitator, you need dystocia diagrams and most importantly you need a watch and a cell phone. You *must* monitor your mare and check on her every couple of hours during the day and then every hour at night or more. As soon as her water breaks, you start your watch. if she hasn't delivered a foal within 20 minutes, then you call the vet and start dealing with the dystocia. If it's a red bag delivery, call the vet after you have dealt with that. Even better is if someone else can call the vet while you deal with the problem.

    If it is a ruptured blood vessel (and please please don't let this freak you out, I don't mean for it to, but it is a consideration) then your mare will bleed out and die. There is nothing that you can do or could have done. But you can save the foal.

    Good luck, and trust your gut instinct. if you think something is wrong, then it probably is. A vet would rather be called out to a false alarm than a major trauma.
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    Just to give you a spot of hope, mares can suffer from vaginal varicose veins. It is possible that your mare has ruptured a vaginal varicose vein, which is usually just a cosmetic issue (ick, blood) and is not normally something to worry about. Perhaps you could ask your vet about that possibility? Best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Mustang View Post
    I suggest take her temperature..... see if she has a fever.... it can tell you if she has an infection.

    I would suggest reading up on viral and bacterial abortions too....

    also might be good to keep her away from the other mares incase she aborts.... you don't want the others too abort as well....
    She doesn't have a fever. Her bag feels warm, and I also noticed that her back legs, near her bag, has started to quiver a little. Is that normal?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    It isn't normal, and I'd be very concerned. Having said that, there's not a lot you can do (by which I mean right now a vet can't do anything and so, neither can you. It is possible that a blood vessel has ruptured and the foal is keeping the pressure on so the bleeding is stemmed. This is obviously a medical emergency as soon as your mare starts to give birth).

    What you can do is be prepared. Locate your nearest colostrum bank and see if there is a nursemare available in your area. You need your foaling kit including a foal resucitator, you need dystocia diagrams and most importantly you need a watch and a cell phone. You *must* monitor your mare and check on her every couple of hours during the day and then every hour at night or more. As soon as her water breaks, you start your watch. if she hasn't delivered a foal within 20 minutes, then you call the vet and start dealing with the dystocia. If it's a red bag delivery, call the vet after you have dealt with that. Even better is if someone else can call the vet while you deal with the problem.

    If it is a ruptured blood vessel (and please please don't let this freak you out, I don't mean for it to, but it is a consideration) then your mare will bleed out and die. There is nothing that you can do or could have done. But you can save the foal.

    Good luck, and trust your gut instinct. if you think something is wrong, then it probably is. A vet would rather be called out to a false alarm than a major trauma.
    Thank you so much! This really helped a lot. I appreciate it!

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