[Baroque-n-Dream]

So true. Its all just theory unless a test is done and the results available.

Honestly, as a breeder, if I'm going to claim "Homozygous", I feel I should be ready to back it up if a test is available or can be done. I don't know for certain if this guy is claimed to be homozygous, but if he is, I would hope the owners have that info from DNA testing and not from just guessing because he's had dark foals.

[Callie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Baroque-n-Dream

I just wanted to say that your filly is really adorable!! I can't wait to see more of her

[tlwidener]

This may not be any help to your discussion, but our untested black gelding only fades where his saddle goes. The rest of him is BLACK. He has a perfect saddle print though. Right now with his winter coat the saddle print is fading. I can still faintly see where the cinch goes.

Could it be a sweat fade?

[Eastowest]

>>> True, but I don't think that was what was being questioned with that statement. More EE = non-fading black theory.

Ahhh, I see.... I didn't catch that angle. I am just so used to people thinking that being homozygous (for) black means the horse IS black, that I assumed.....
Sorry bout that!

ETA--
Oh and FWIW I have not ascribed to the theory of EE not fading. But then, Appaloosas are my main frame of reference, so LP makes just about everything else fly out the window, as far as what fades and why.... LOLOL

Laura Lyon
Eastowest
http://www.eastowest.com

[Shannon]

Originally Posted by Baroque-n-Dream

So true. Its all just theory unless a test is done and the results available.

Honestly, as a breeder, if I'm going to claim "Homozygous", I feel I should be ready to back it up if a test is available or can be done. I don't know for certain if this guy is claimed to be homozygous, but if he is, I would hope the owners have that info from DNA testing and not from just guessing because he's had dark foals.

It's not completely customary to test and to list color genetics for a black/brown/bay/chestnut/grey horse with warmbloods, just because people don't really care as much as they do with other breeds. Most people prefer black bases and I have seen some stallion owners mention their stallions are EE (Gatsby is one, as well as Balta C'zar), but typically if you just don't see any red foals out of many many foal crops, you just assume. Sir Oldenburg, Stedinger, Sandro Hit, etc all have enough foals on the ground to where you can make this conclusion, but I don't think they actually claim them to be homozygous black as an advertising tactic.

Color testing, outside of color breeding, definitely seems more common in the US than in Europe, where the stallion in question stands. *I* did test my Dutch mare and I KNOW she is EE out of two Ee parents, but I know her to be Ata without testing because of her parentage.

Sorry to go off on a tangent

[spacely]

More EE = non-fading black theory.

Hmmm.... Redwine is a non-fading black (and is a super blue-black in the flesh) & is not homozygous.

[ACCphotography]

Originally Posted by spacely

Hmmm....not sure I quite buy that. Redwine is a non-fading black (and is a super blue-black in the flesh) & is not homozygous.

No no. It's been proven that's not true. MANY people think it though.

[Shannon]

Originally Posted by spacely

Hmmm....not sure I quite buy that. Redwine is a non-fading black (and is a super blue-black in the flesh) & is not homozygous.

Notice I said "theory" LOL.

Speaking of Redwine...Do we know if Aloha is homozygous? He's certainly BLACK in the flesh as well.

[spacely]

Originally Posted by ACCphotography

No no. It's been proven that's not true. MANY people think it though.

Oh good. Sorry, I took Shannon's statement to mean that was the case.

Off topic, but how was your trip to Canada? Any pics you can share?

[RiddleMeThis]

Originally Posted by Shannon

Notice I said "theory" LOL.

Speaking of Redwine...Do we know if Aloha is homozygous? He's certainly BLACK in the flesh as well.

Aloha is also Ee.