Black or brown? GAH

ACCphotography · 11-02-2009, 09:27 PM

I dunno. They call him black, but he really dances on the borderline of what I define black and what I define brown. I have seen some VERY brown looking horses test black... much browner than him. But that's an awfully defined flank color.

Man I wish I could test him.

Baroque-n-Dream · 11-02-2009, 09:40 PM

After getting the color report back on one of our fillies, I'm not as dubious about horses claiming to be black that show odd coloring. He may very well be a black, but then again, I'm fast getting to the "show me the color report" for conformation. Hey may be black, but I'm not sure of homozygous black....at least not without a color genetics test.

Our filly has chestnut tufts on the inside of her ears, but she came back from testing as a black. She's heterozygous black, not homozygous. Here are pics of her at 8 hours old and 16 weeks old.

She is also shedding out most of her solid black coat and looks like she's turning grey, but she isn't grey. She's a Knabstrupper, so that LP fun is going on.

Shannon · 11-02-2009, 09:42 PM

I think this particular stallion is actually homozygous black....I'm pretty sure he was on our list of homozygous black WB stallions

ACCphotography · 11-02-2009, 09:45 PM

Yes I think he is too... I didn't see a single chestnut foal by him.

Eastowest · 11-02-2009, 09:46 PM

Well he could be homozygous for black (as in EE) and still be brown....

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Baroque-n-Dream · 11-02-2009, 09:46 PM

Probably......and that may be right. Like I said, I'm kind of at that "show me the color genetics test" when they claim to be certain colors - especially when they claim the "homozygous" bit.

He is a purty boy, that is for sure, no matter what the genetic markers say about his color.

spacely · 11-02-2009, 09:48 PM

I see brown around the muzzle & maybe a bit around the eye.

ACCphotography · 11-02-2009, 09:51 PM

I need to do some more reading on "sweat fade". If there was ever a case for it, this is one. But really, without a test, we'll probably never know.

Shannon · 11-02-2009, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastowest

Well he could be homozygous for black (as in EE) and still be brown....

Laura Lyon
Eastowest
http://www.eastowest.com

True, but I don't think that was what was being questioned with that statement. More EE = non-fading black theory.

Unless I misunderstood

ACCphotography · 11-02-2009, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shannon

True, but I don't think that was what was being questioned with that statement. More EE = non-fading black theory.

Unless I misunderstood

I got that impression too.

11-02-2009, 09:27 PM	#11
ACCphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 10,276 Images: 1	I dunno. They call him black, but he really dances on the borderline of what I define black and what I define brown. I have seen some VERY brown looking horses test black... much browner than him. But that's an awfully defined flank color. Man I wish I could test him. __________________ ACC 10,000 posts!!! (achieved on 11/09/09) First green star!!! (achieved on 01/17/09) Mod's nickname for me: "That's Not the Color!" (presented on 04/01/09) "We're not going to Guam are we?"

11-02-2009, 09:40 PM	#12
Baroque-n-Dream Full Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 30 Images: 11	After getting the color report back on one of our fillies, I'm not as dubious about horses claiming to be black that show odd coloring. He may very well be a black, but then again, I'm fast getting to the "show me the color report" for conformation. Hey may be black, but I'm not sure of homozygous black....at least not without a color genetics test. Our filly has chestnut tufts on the inside of her ears, but she came back from testing as a black. She's heterozygous black, not homozygous. Here are pics of her at 8 hours old and 16 weeks old. She is also shedding out most of her solid black coat and looks like she's turning grey, but she isn't grey. She's a Knabstrupper, so that LP fun is going on. Last edited by Baroque-n-Dream; 11-02-2009 at 09:48 PM. Reason: Clarification of statement.

11-02-2009, 09:42 PM	#13
Shannon Senior Member+ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 10,833 Images: 1017 Blog Entries: 63	I think this particular stallion is actually homozygous black....I'm pretty sure he was on our list of homozygous black WB stallions __________________ Mariah - 15 year old KWPN Dutch WB mare I ride earthquakes like I ride horses, often and with talent. And that's only ONE of my talents.

11-02-2009, 09:45 PM	#14
ACCphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 10,276 Images: 1	Yes I think he is too... I didn't see a single chestnut foal by him. __________________ ACC 10,000 posts!!! (achieved on 11/09/09) First green star!!! (achieved on 01/17/09) Mod's nickname for me: "That's Not the Color!" (presented on 04/01/09) "We're not going to Guam are we?"

11-02-2009, 09:51 PM	#18
ACCphotography Senior Member+ Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 10,276 Images: 1	I need to do some more reading on "sweat fade". If there was ever a case for it, this is one. But really, without a test, we'll probably never know. __________________ ACC 10,000 posts!!! (achieved on 11/09/09) First green star!!! (achieved on 01/17/09) Mod's nickname for me: "That's Not the Color!" (presented on 04/01/09) "We're not going to Guam are we?"

11-02-2009, 09:46 PM	#15
Eastowest Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 495 Images: 26	Well he could be homozygous for black (as in EE) and still be brown.... Laura Lyon Eastowest http://www.eastowest.com

11-02-2009, 09:48 PM	#17
spacely Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 359	I see brown around the muzzle & maybe a bit around the eye.

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Black or brown? GAH