[Cheeky Monkey]

OKay, My turn
I also see a long gaskin, however that is typical of western/stock type horses. They generally have/like them to have hocks low to the ground. I dont really like her neck, she is thick in the throatlach and I dont like that her neck ties in low. I dont think she is downhill. Her croup is basically at the same height as her wither.
So, that said, I would not breed her to Windwalker, as he has most of the same characteristics as she does...unless of course you dont mind the foal looking basically like those two. (NOt that there is anything really worng with them, just not perfect.)
IF I was you I would want to fix those few flaws of your mare...I like Omega for her. He has a much better neck/front end and I like his length of back and his hind end is quite powerful.
And I know you like chestnut, but this guy has great bloodlines and from the pics that they have, he looks quite nice (although hard to tell from those pics)
Cocolalla Creek Sport Horses
and this guy looks pretty nice too:
Dutch Warmblood Tobiano Stallion

[DB4L90]

Originally Posted by Cheeky Monkey

OKay, My turn
I also see a long gaskin, however that is typical of western/stock type horses. They generally have/like them to have hocks low to the ground. I dont really like her neck, she is thick in the throatlach and I dont like that her neck ties in low. I dont think she is downhill. Her croup is basically at the same height as her wither.
So, that said, I would not breed her to Windwalker, as he has most of the same characteristics as she does...unless of course you dont mind the foal looking basically like those two. (NOt that there is anything really worng with them, just not perfect.)
IF I was you I would want to fix those few flaws of your mare...I like Omega for her. He has a much better neck/front end and I like his length of back and his hind end is quite powerful.
And I know you like chestnut, but this guy has great bloodlines and from the pics that they have, he looks quite nice (although hard to tell from those pics)
Cocolalla Creek Sport Horses
and this guy looks pretty nice too:
Dutch Warmblood Tobiano Stallion

Dutch Warmblood Tobiano Stallion I was looking at him today. What do you guys think about him. The only thing i dont like is that he is in scotland. Omega I believe is in the US and that would be a little better. I think Omega compliments my mare better but i could be wrong. What do you guys think?

[Cheeky Monkey]

I agree, I like Omega for your mare.
Toobad the other is in Scotland...unless you dont mind breeding frozen.

[SuZQuzie]

I LOVE Umenno. I looked at him for my mare (practically guarenteed color since he carries sabino and tobiano) but the frozen semen part got me. Only 50% chance of a mare catching with that stuff.

[Cheeky Monkey]

Originally Posted by SuZQuzie

I LOVE Umenno. I looked at him for my mare (practically guarenteed color since he carries sabino and tobiano) but the frozen semen part got me. Only 50% chance of a mare catching with that stuff.

well, not really. It all depends on the stallion and how well he freezes, and if the mare is easy to catch etc. BUt, it is usually twice as much money wise.

[Lou3]

Here JB this is exactly what I'm seeing, the black lines indicate where everything SHOULD be/ what the angles should be the purple lines indicate where they actually ARE on this mare. As you can see there are huge discrepancies with nearly every line. Enough in fact for the hindquarter, hind leg and neck to be FAULTS not FLAWS, a mare with even one fault should not be bred, this mare has three and a multitude of other flaws. Flaws are one thing, no horse is absolutely ideal in every way, but faults are another thing altogether.

[realitycheck]

Originally Posted by Lou3

the black lines indicate where everything SHOULD be/ what the angles should be the purple lines indicate where they actually ARE on this mare.

"Should be" according to what/whom? A good hunter can be built quite differently from a good dressage horse, which can be quite different from a reiner, which can be different from a show jumper, etc.

[JBandRio]

Lou, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I'd worry with a neck that ties in on the bottom as high as you have it. I'd also worry about a stifle to hock angle that you have - borders on being camped out. The black vs purple lines of her stifle to elbow are not that far part and not anything I'd consider too downhill. IMHO your black croup line is boardering on far too flat for a performance horse, though I do agree the existing slope is a bit too much for my taste, but certainly not anything performance-hindering. I'm not sure what you intended with your bottom pelvic line, showing the hip angle, but from what I gather, you intend for the stifle to be right about the top of the gaskin, so again, your angles there are not showing a correct comparison. I don't see a closed hip/butt/stifle angle at all, but apparently you do.

IMHO your shoulder angle discrepancies are negligible, and the purple one is not exactly straight, though I do think you have drawn a straigher line than what is realy there - you went in front of her wither. Your forearm purple line isn't even parallel to your shoulder purple line, so your purple forearm angle is misleading against your black angle, and by bringing the purple line back to where it should be, it's not that much different from your black line. You tried to make her look like she's broken back at the knee, but she isn't standing with that leg vertical - it's behind the vertical. If you put her leg directly underneath her, cannon bone vertical, it would fall directly in line with your black line.

So, we'll just disagree

[harli36]

That's the thing with conformation you can have a roomfull of people judging one horse and get 100 different opionions.

What I see is a horse who is built downhill. Her topline looks level but that is because of more prominent withers but her underline definetly shows a downhill horse and that is reinforced by the pictures of her moving. I also see a not-so-nice neck. It ties in too low and her throatlatch is very thick. The neck tieing in low gives her neck a chunky appearance and makes her look even more downhill in her moveing pic's.

That being said that's about the only things I don't like about this mare. Her legs look lovely (I don't agree with the lines that Lou has drawn either) Her left foreleg may look a tiiny bit crooked but I believe that is due to an optical illusion if you look at her right foreleg she looks perfectly straight. I like the angle of her shoulder and the length of her back.

So even with her flaws I still think that she is a breeding worthy horse. Just look for a stud that is a tad bit uphill or at the very least level and who is known for throwing that and a nice neck.

[Cheeky Monkey]

Originally Posted by realitycheck

"Should be" according to what/whom? A good hunter can be built quite differently from a good dressage horse, which can be quite different from a reiner, which can be different from a show jumper, etc.

Exactly!
This is more of a stock/reiner/western typre horse...they generally do look like this.
Of course she is not going to be conformed the way a dressage horse would, or a jumper.