Back from seeing pony #1 for Dustin. Founder questions with PICTURES!!

2manypetz · 04-14-2008, 12:30 PM

When you looked at him did he have "dents" above his eyes? If not, or if they puffed out he has the insulen problem. It sometimes goes hand in hand with the founder on some horses. Some will founder out when the weather changes. I have a friend that has a horse that has this problem, he has the puffy spots above his eyes where the dents are supposed to be and the cresty neck like that pony looks like he has, founder, and strange fat deposits. They have spent a mint on vets bills, farriers, and special shoes, and boots. But he is a wonderful horse, and they have him well now, but she will never buy a horse again that has those symptoms. I wish you lived closer to Iowa, I know of a great quarter pony for your son.

lacy · 04-15-2008, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Appylvr

I feel awful saying it, but it's the truth... you're better off not getting him.

If I were you I would e-mail the owner back and tell him Founder is serious and definately NOT something he can ignore. Also if he's trying to sell the pony... most horse people will recognize the problem and want nothing to do with it.

It's cruel to say it... but I think the pony will be better off being put down.

I couldn't even imagine leaving my mare the way she was and ignoring it. Definately not a way anything would want to live.

If the owners are not wanting to spend any money on the poor pony (which sounds about right from what you've said - they want to make money on it, not loose money) it would also be the cheaper way to go.

I did email him- please see above post. I coulden't just sit and hope that they were smart enough to call the vet out. I could almost garuntee that they have not called though.

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Originally Posted by 2manypetz

When you looked at him did he have "dents" above his eyes? If not, or if they puffed out he has the insulen problem. It sometimes goes hand in hand with the founder on some horses. Some will founder out when the weather changes. I have a friend that has a horse that has this problem, he has the puffy spots above his eyes where the dents are supposed to be and the cresty neck like that pony looks like he has, founder, and strange fat deposits. They have spent a mint on vets bills, farriers, and special shoes, and boots. But he is a wonderful horse, and they have him well now, but she will never buy a horse again that has those symptoms. I wish you lived closer to Iowa, I know of a great quarter pony for your son.

Nope, I don't remember anything strange about his face... Lol, other then his head was huge!

skysthelimit · 04-15-2008, 10:23 AM

in the picture of the front of his feet there are a bunch of very well defined lines across his hooves. Those are founder rings, and I have NEVER seen feet like that in my life. Usually when a horse founders I believe they form ONE line. This, in my opinion, is evidence of continual founder.

This is absolutely disgusting. I had no idea it was this bad when I talked to you today. That pony has a gross coat, gross mane and an incredibly cresty neck. He is in pathetic condition.

It is obvious that he is being neglected, and I would be on the phone witth animal control about this. If you don't want to call, I understand. But I have no problem doing it myself. That situation is intolerable. Animal control will require them to prove veterinary and farrier care and require them within a certain amount of time to fix or improve the situation. If they fail to do it, AC will impound the animal and fine the owners.

Shadow started looking pretty rough toward the end. i was always afraid one of my clients would call AC on me, however, I was very open and honest with everyone and explained her condition to all who came to the farm. I had filed documents proving the constant veterinary and farrier care she was provided and because of that nobody ever said or did anything. it was obvious by the way my other horses looked (healthy, tho not perfect!) that she wasn't being neglected. Did you happen to get a look at any of the other horses? Did they offer any proof of farrier or vet services? I bet that pony hasn't seen a vet in years. That's absolutely disgusting.~Brit

lacy · 04-15-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by skysthelimit

in the picture of the front of his feet there are a bunch of very well defined lines across his hooves. Those are founder rings, and I have NEVER seen feet like that in my life. Usually when a horse founders I believe they form ONE line. This, in my opinion, is evidence of continual founder.

This is absolutely disgusting. I had no idea it was this bad when I talked to you today. That pony has a gross coat, gross mane and an incredibly cresty neck. He is in pathetic condition.

It is obvious that he is being neglected, and I would be on the phone witth animal control about this. If you don't want to call, I understand. But I have no problem doing it myself. That situation is intolerable. Animal control will require them to prove veterinary and farrier care and require them within a certain amount of time to fix or improve the situation. If they fail to do it, AC will impound the animal and fine the owners.

Shadow started looking pretty rough toward the end. i was always afraid one of my clients would call AC on me, however, I was very open and honest with everyone and explained her condition to all who came to the farm. I had filed documents proving the constant veterinary and farrier care she was provided and because of that nobody ever said or did anything. it was obvious by the way my other horses looked (healthy, tho not perfect!) that she wasn't being neglected. Did you happen to get a look at any of the other horses? Did they offer any proof of farrier or vet services? I bet that pony hasn't seen a vet in years. That's absolutely disgusting.~Brit

I know... I haven't stopped thinking about him.

No, the other horses were up a very steep hill by the road. I tried looking at them all look to be in good condition- weight wise, not fat or skinny. But the grass was too deep to see their feet

I want to call AC, but also do not want them to think it is me...

palomino78 · 05-07-2008, 09:57 AM

Call. AC will at the LEAST educate them and give them a plan to help their animals.
The reason alot of people dont call AC is because they dont want to be the one who tells- but horses have no voice. Sounds like this pony needs you.

lindsariah · 08-16-2008, 01:31 PM

hi there the choice is really yours i know you need alot of work but have you tried tacking him up to see what he is like to decide if he did get over his health issues if he would be a good pony this might give you an idea of how good he is with the basics. I just bought a young pony to bring on for my daughter and she is lovely but my daughter is losing interest for now as she cant do anything with her herself while im training her and in hindsight i wish i had waited and got her a fully broken trained pony with no work needing done. consider the amount of time it will take you to nurse this pony back to health and even then the chances of him making a full recovery is slim think of how long your son will be happy to wait around for effectively a pony that cant be used. As harsh as it is i would stay away from this pony there is plenty other healthy ponies about that your son can get use from now hope this helps in your decision.

bvhorses · 08-16-2008, 02:20 PM

From all you describe, the pony is definitely foundered. Some can become sound, some cannot. It all depends on the amount of rotation, which can only be seen with x rays. If he appears to be foundering again, he is a chronic case and likely will be for the rest of his life. He should have a blood test done for cushings syndrome. In the pics, he appears to have a long hair coat, which is a major symptom, as well as cresty neck. The most debilitating symptom is chronic founder. If he has cushings and is already at that stage, it is likely he will never become sound. If you put him on the meds to try to control it, the pergolide can cost $80-$100./month! I would say he is not worth even $150. As much as I love to save horses, this one would be a drain on the purse with little chance of a pain free lifetime.

Goonhorse · 08-16-2008, 02:28 PM

Old thread.

Dustin already has a pony.

Jenje! · 08-16-2008, 02:28 PM

Old thread guys!

This pony was a pass.

Jinx, Goon.

me and morgan · 08-16-2008, 02:37 PM

what a fatty...good deal and you could work on him....whew.....hes a chunky monkey...

04-15-2008, 10:23 AM	#23
skysthelimit Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Georgia moun...hills Posts: 2,905 Images: 161 Blog Entries: 1	in the picture of the front of his feet there are a bunch of very well defined lines across his hooves. Those are founder rings, and I have NEVER seen feet like that in my life. Usually when a horse founders I believe they form ONE line. This, in my opinion, is evidence of continual founder. This is absolutely disgusting. I had no idea it was this bad when I talked to you today. That pony has a gross coat, gross mane and an incredibly cresty neck. He is in pathetic condition. It is obvious that he is being neglected, and I would be on the phone witth animal control about this. If you don't want to call, I understand. But I have no problem doing it myself. That situation is intolerable. Animal control will require them to prove veterinary and farrier care and require them within a certain amount of time to fix or improve the situation. If they fail to do it, AC will impound the animal and fine the owners. Shadow started looking pretty rough toward the end. i was always afraid one of my clients would call AC on me, however, I was very open and honest with everyone and explained her condition to all who came to the farm. I had filed documents proving the constant veterinary and farrier care she was provided and because of that nobody ever said or did anything. it was obvious by the way my other horses looked (healthy, tho not perfect!) that she wasn't being neglected. Did you happen to get a look at any of the other horses? Did they offer any proof of farrier or vet services? I bet that pony hasn't seen a vet in years. That's absolutely disgusting.~Brit __________________ There is no action, no other course, I could not have her with just force, For this is love in best and worst. It is the love of a horse! ~me "Is natural horsemanship training while naked?" -MelissaH

08-16-2008, 02:28 PM	#28
Goonhorse Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,891 Images: 262 Blog Entries: 152	Old thread. Dustin already has a pony. __________________ "Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, And into His courts with praise: Be thankful unto Him, and bless His name." -Psalm 100:4

08-16-2008, 02:28 PM	#29
Jenje! Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,812 Images: 910 Blog Entries: 27	Old thread guys! This pony was a pass. Jinx, Goon. __________________ ♥ Jen Zombies, Monsters &Ooze (a blog) That love is all there is, is all we know of love. - E. Dickinson *** VA Allure * BBA First Page * Instead Of Flowers ***

08-16-2008, 02:37 PM	#30
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04-14-2008, 12:30 PM	#21
2manypetz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 893	When you looked at him did he have "dents" above his eyes? If not, or if they puffed out he has the insulen problem. It sometimes goes hand in hand with the founder on some horses. Some will founder out when the weather changes. I have a friend that has a horse that has this problem, he has the puffy spots above his eyes where the dents are supposed to be and the cresty neck like that pony looks like he has, founder, and strange fat deposits. They have spent a mint on vets bills, farriers, and special shoes, and boots. But he is a wonderful horse, and they have him well now, but she will never buy a horse again that has those symptoms. I wish you lived closer to Iowa, I know of a great quarter pony for your son.

05-07-2008, 09:57 AM	#25
palomino78 Full Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 29	Call. AC will at the LEAST educate them and give them a plan to help their animals. The reason alot of people dont call AC is because they dont want to be the one who tells- but horses have no voice. Sounds like this pony needs you.

08-16-2008, 01:31 PM	#26
lindsariah Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dornoch in the highlands of scotland Posts: 9 Images: 8	hi there the choice is really yours i know you need alot of work but have you tried tacking him up to see what he is like to decide if he did get over his health issues if he would be a good pony this might give you an idea of how good he is with the basics. I just bought a young pony to bring on for my daughter and she is lovely but my daughter is losing interest for now as she cant do anything with her herself while im training her and in hindsight i wish i had waited and got her a fully broken trained pony with no work needing done. consider the amount of time it will take you to nurse this pony back to health and even then the chances of him making a full recovery is slim think of how long your son will be happy to wait around for effectively a pony that cant be used. As harsh as it is i would stay away from this pony there is plenty other healthy ponies about that your son can get use from now hope this helps in your decision.

08-16-2008, 02:20 PM	#27
bvhorses Full Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bristol, NY Posts: 262 Images: 5	From all you describe, the pony is definitely foundered. Some can become sound, some cannot. It all depends on the amount of rotation, which can only be seen with x rays. If he appears to be foundering again, he is a chronic case and likely will be for the rest of his life. He should have a blood test done for cushings syndrome. In the pics, he appears to have a long hair coat, which is a major symptom, as well as cresty neck. The most debilitating symptom is chronic founder. If he has cushings and is already at that stage, it is likely he will never become sound. If you put him on the meds to try to control it, the pergolide can cost $80-$100./month! I would say he is not worth even $150. As much as I love to save horses, this one would be a drain on the purse with little chance of a pain free lifetime.