[Carly]

What are your opinions on this stallion, as a sire?... he has one foal on the ground right now- bred to a "full" arabian mare... but who looks part paint (I haver seen her in person multiple times... she also has all sabino characteristics. Her breeding is unknown and shes unregsitered- she was a horse at a rent a horse type trail ranch)
http://www.silverstarstables.com/Stallions.html
He is freom this famr-

who breeds colour into arabians and part-breds, and it seems with his thicker build, and whatnot, that he may have paint back in his lines or something?...
www.lyndale-arabians.net

[S.HorseWoman]

Are you asking if the stallion could be a part-bred? Highly unlikely honestly. The Arabian registries did blood-typing for years, then moved up to DNA testing. Given his age (born 2002), no, I don't think he could have Paint bloodlines.

Besides, Sabino is very common in Arabians, particularly of his bloodlines, as is being "chunky" for an Arabian. He has a lot of older, CMK bloodlines. Arabians back in the 1950's (which he traces to) were heavier boned and a lot more muscular in those days. So, no having loud chrome and being muscular would not indicate that he has any mixed breeding.

[S.HorseWoman]

Here is a good link to look at to see how Arabians have changed as the years go by: http://public.fotki.com/meranch/ancpics/

There are albums full of pictures of Arabians, starting all the way from the first Arabians to be imported to ones being breed today. You can see that a lot of the older ones were muscular, solid horses. They were very popular a few decades ago as working ranch horses. Shalimar Ranch was very well-known for breeding very nice Arabians for that purpose; Varian Arabians started out that way as well.

[Carly]

thanks for the info!
I know he couldnt be part-bred, because he is registered arabian... lol... I meant way bac.,...
I know there are chu ckier arabs, as the barn where he is has all chunkier type arabians...
I wasnt TOTALLY sure with the sabino thing... I know there are tobianos... but they are slowly working their ways to be regustered arabians, in breeding more and more arab blood into them, and trying to keep the colour.
What do you think of him as breeding quality though... that was mostly what I wanted to know.
While he may be a handsome fellow, and he *is* a sweetheart *I ve met and handled him* he is locked in an in/out unless being bred.. then he is walked at night when he cant see to the field because otherwise he is totalluy uncontrollable... then goes back to his in/out... he isnt trained in anything, and is barely even brushed...
thats not the point though.
I just have the opinion that he is not an asset to the arabian and that he would make a MUCH better gelding, rather than producing a bunch of foals, in an alreayd flooded market

[CJ]

At a glance I dont think hes 'anything to write home about' as Arabians go. I dont think he has a great head, just 'ok'. His sire is also his Gr.grandsire whic in itself is not horrible but I think it proves that you can accentuate positives OR negatives by close breeding. Hes nice enough; I love his sires 'wierd' maroon chestnut; Raps sire was like that. But I wouldnt go out my way to find him.

[Lou3]

His hindquarter is a little weak but other than that he looks like a pretty nice example of a traditional type arabian. However I much prefer his sire. Is he still breeding? if he is i would go see the sire rather than the son, much better horse.

[S.HorseWoman]

Originally Posted by Carly

thanks for the info!
I know he couldnt be part-bred, because he is registered arabian... lol... I meant way bac.,...
I know there are chu ckier arabs, as the barn where he is has all chunkier type arabians...
I wasnt TOTALLY sure with the sabino thing... I know there are tobianos... but they are slowly working their ways to be regustered arabians, in breeding more and more arab blood into them, and trying to keep the colour.
What do you think of him as breeding quality though... that was mostly what I wanted to know.
While he may be a handsome fellow, and he *is* a sweetheart *I ve met and handled him* he is locked in an in/out unless being bred.. then he is walked at night when he cant see to the field because otherwise he is totalluy uncontrollable... then goes back to his in/out... he isnt trained in anything, and is barely even brushed...
thats not the point though.
I just have the opinion that he is not an asset to the arabian and that he would make a MUCH better gelding, rather than producing a bunch of foals, in an alreayd flooded market

Well, his pedigree doesn't strike me as bad, just not as spectacular. He has some nice lines 5 and 6 generations back, but nothing prominent before that I can see. Now, not having a huge show record is not a bad thing. There are breeders out there producing some lovely horses who don't really show, just breed.

However, I do agree that he is not spectacular as far as conformation goes. He is not ugly, but he doesn't really wow me from the photos. He probably would be much happier as a gelding with a job, especially given what you say about his living conditions.

Oh, and those "Tobiano Arabians" are not Arabians and can't ever be, no matter if they are 99% Arabian. They are technically Pintabians, usually registered as Half-Arabians with the registries. The Arabian registries only register horses that trace 100% to purebred Arabians, so even have 99.9% is not enough to make a horse a purebred. It is 100% or nothing.

Sabino on the other hand is found in purebred Arabians and has been for generations. Some of the first Arabians imported from the desert by Lady Wentworth had sabino markings; it was said that King Solomon has a stable of rare, treasured "parti-colored" Arabians, which hints that lots of sabino was around even then.

Again, chances of him having anything but Arabian blood is pretty minute, if it is possible at all. But I do agree, purebred or not, he does not seem like he really needs to be a stallion for any reason, at least from those pictures.

[S.HorseWoman]

Originally Posted by Lou3

His hindquarter is a little weak but other than that he looks like a pretty nice example of a traditional type arabian. However I much prefer his sire. Is he still breeding? if he is i would go see the sire rather than the son, much better horse.

I agree. His sire is a handsome fellow. He has a much nice rear and prettier head to me, though not really easy to tell from the one picture. He just strikes me as being the better horse of the two.

[Sandra-A1]

The Stallion doesnt impress me at all...conformation, or pedigree......nothing I would breed a mare to....going by the photo on their site.

Let me add that this could be a nice stallion but the photos are not showing him off at his best. When you have and are promoting a stallion you must have good photos.
There is no excuse for not doing exactly that now days. All one has to do is look at other stallions of the same breeds photos online for owners to see how they need to stand and photograph their horse. There are numerous sites with helpful tips as well.
This stallion's website lacks not only good photos of the stallion and his get but also people want to see him undersaddle and know what his show/performance record. While you can find people willing to breed to the pretty Arabian Stallion....it is the repete breedings that you want to help make money from and mare owner's want to see and hear about.
This sort of thing (poor photos & website) can make or break a stallion as well as a stallion's owners hope of a breeding business.

[Carly]

I agree. and Sandra A-1... theres no under saddle pics or show records cause there are none. He barely leaves his in/out and goes insane from being cooped up.
IMO he needs to be geled, and needs a job.
I boarded at that place for a year... he is a GREAT horse- has a wonderful personality and when you go in to clean his stall or paddock, he is VERY well behaved for being locked up in such a small space for soooo long- with basicly no handling!
I used to take him from his stall/paddock and back when he DID get turn out... and I am just turning 16 in a few weeks... I was able to handle him, though occasionally he would rear up, or try to bolt...but I couldnt NOT turn him out- or he would have sat in his stall all day.
I do not want bashings on him or antthing. I am just asking to see if anyone sees him the way I do- and thats that he should be gelded.
Nobodyt wants to breed to him... she bred her two mares to him, both of which had no reason to be bred. One is a mare who is part arabian- though not even THAT can be certain. NOBODY knows where he breeding came from... maybe not even her breeders, as she was bred , and used on a rent a horse ranch type place... and then she bred her arab filly to him, but she doesnt have anything special about her at all. Her confo is that great, her temperment is very high strung, add'ish and flips out and spooks at her halter somedays, not knowning what it is
I feel really sorry for him! I used to hang out with him by his stall as much as I could and love on him... hes so sweet, and would make an EXCELLENT gelding! He has alot of heart, and is athletic- he would really make an excellent reiner!! (natural sliding stops! lol- right into the fence to stop before hitting ) but wont be broke if stays a stud etc... andf will live a lonely life...
Its very frustrating to me anyways... to see him like that.
His owner talked of gelding him for awhile, and maybe freezing some of his semen if he made it big in the show ring... but she then decided against it... I was surely hoping he would be gelded- he would LOVE to be a riding horse- I know he would!!
Anyways, thanks for listening! feels better to have it off of my chest!!

Those pics on the site ore photoshopped... he is NOT that shiny... and im actually quite suprised he had those pics taken... like he stood still while haltered, and she was brave ennough to.