[darlingfordgirl]

I have a problem-I am buying an arabian filly from a lady and she offered to sell me a mare for half the price she was asking as a "package deal" with the filly. She is a 3 year old gray-graying quite slow. She has been started-everything but actually having someone on her. Very quiet, moves nice, nice head, but a little on the short side. My questions are how well does a gray sell, what are chances of getting a gray if I bred her, AND how good is her pedigree. Her pedigree is here Hmu Precious Moments Arabian
Give me an idea of what you would pay-I don't want to say the price to influence what people answer. I am not too familiar with all the arab lines--I recognize Aladdinn and Bask and Witez. Any help would be great-THANKS ASHLEY

[cassidy]

she obiously has breeding which could mean she could be good to breed

as for her colour i dont see it being a problem lots of arabs are grey an they sell as well as any other imo

she could be a good prospect for x-breeding to

the price you pay would highly depend on hoe well trained she is ect.. what is she bred to do?

[Sandra-A1]

You will find with Arabians now days that color is not usually the selling factor. ...it is conformation, type and performance that usually are the deciding factor.

Grey is a common color in the breed and the odds of your getting a grey foal out of her depends on if the mare is homozygous for grey or not. If the mare is hetrozygous then you have a 50/50 chance of her producing a grey foal when bred to a non-grey stallion.

As for her pedigree....I would consider it really average....nothing all that special
It appears that the big "names" do not show up until the 4th generation where you find *Alladdin and *Bask. Which means that while they can still exert an influence, it really is not all that much. Both of those stallons were heavily bred so it is not all that surprising to find them in pedigrees....especially in the 4th generation and back. Just keep in mind that the futher back the "name" is the less influence (and value) it has.

IMO....What does hold importance (besides the actual mare)....is the sire and dam and their conformation and performance record.

I do not know anything really about the Polish stallion *Eunizar but did find this photo of him EUNIZAR

In the end it is going to come down to this mare's conformation, type and movement.

Please keep in mind that this is a buyers market.....
Many Arabian horses are not selling well in many of parts of the country.
Some people cannot even give them away!
There is still a pretty good market for the proven show winner and performer (usually the EP, CP and Park horses).....especially if winning on the Regional and National level....other than that...well, it not only depends on the particular horse, but where you live.

[SVA]

If I were you, I would think about what you would be using her for. Here's a couple points that I would think of:

She is not AHA Breeders' Sweepstakes Nominated (this is a huge selling factor) I would not buy anything not nominated.
Her sire is virtually unknown-keep in mind that offspring from big-name stallions are selling for low, low prices. The best thing about the sire's pedigree is that he's an El Magato grandson.
Her dam line is quite good, being double *Bask++ and Aladdinn. Her dam, if bred to the right stallions should've produced some steller individuals.

So again, evaluate what you want her for. As a broodmare? You could probably find better, still in a low price-range. As a riding horse? Can you train horses yourself or would you have to send it out for training ($$$) For Resale? Probably would have a tough time - as evidenced by this owner's willingness to make a "package deal"

JMO, hope it helps!! I've gone down the road of buying lesser arabians for cheap prices, and it just doesn't pay off. I have since found very good arabians for cheap prices, and that IS the deal. As was mentioned, its a buyers market, take advantage of it!!!

[darlingfordgirl]

Thanks for all your answers but I think everyone is in a different ballgame then me. What is low prices to you? ME? My most expensive horse I've ever owned cost me $1,200 and that was when the horse market was a little better (I still own him-he's my baby). Me- and most people in my area and all that I "socialize" with- have horses purely for hobby. One lady I am friends with makes a living off horses but she is a farrier, trainer, stands 2 studs, and boards-besides selling a few colts in the summer. I am not trying to make money off horses I just want to know that if I decided to buy her and finish her training-I do that myself- that I have SOME type of incentive for people to look (pedigree). The lady has her listed for $500 firm and when I went to look I fell in love with a different horse but worked this mare on a longe line first. Apparently this lady was impressed and offered me the deal because "its good to see people working well with horses and I got off really well with her quickly." I am no expert for sure but I do well on a small scale. LOL. Anyways--hope that filled in any blanks. Thanks again ASHLEY

[SVA]

Well, good luck with whatever you choose!

[Sandra-A1]

darlingfordgirl.....in all honestly the mare's pedigree is average at best....sure she has "names" in it but as I said before they do not appear until the 4th generation.
Consider this.... With 1,046 registered purebred get, Bask was the leading sire of Arabians for several years after his death....so you can imagine how many great grand-get and great-great grand get he has!

Also keep in mind that 25% of all purebred Arabians registered in the US trace to *Bask....that's right 25%!

As for Aladdinn... he reigns as the leading living Arabian sire of all time......he has 1211 get........so you can also imagine just how many grand, and great-great grand get he has as well.

Yes, it is nice to have "names like these in a Arabian's pedigree...but....unless the horse in each generation that comes from these names is also a proven/successful Champion, and/or the sire or dam of champions, then these names mean very little.
Also, as I said before the further back they are found....unless the horses were carefully, and very selectively bred...... the less influence they have on the next generation. So I doubt that you would see much of *Bask or *Aladdinn in any of these mare's foal...unless she was bred directly to a son, or intensely line bred son, of either.

If you are buying this mare with hopes of selling her or her foals, then you should look elsewhere for a horse to buy and expect to pay a lot more to boot....but if you are just looking for a horse for personal pleasure and to enjoy yourself then this mare should do nicely...IF.....you really like her....and I do remember reading where you did say that you liked another horse that the seller had better.
Speaking only for myself...if it was me I think I would buy the horse that I liked instead of one that I was not sure of.
I do advise against buying for resell at this time....buy something that YOU like, want and will keep and enjoy yourself!

[shell]

Selling horses for profit takes a LOT of work. Bloodlines and color don't cut it any more. It is all about the show record and what the horse is trained to do and excells at.

[Sandra-A1]

Originally Posted by darlingfordgirl

Thanks for all your answers but I think everyone is in a different ballgame then me. What is low prices to you? ME? My most expensive horse I've ever owned cost me $1,200 and that was when the horse market was a little better (I still own him-he's my baby). Me- and most people in my area and all that I "socialize" with- have horses purely for hobby. One lady I am friends with makes a living off horses but she is a farrier, trainer, stands 2 studs, and boards-besides selling a few colts in the summer. I am not trying to make money off horses I just want to know that if I decided to buy her and finish her training-I do that myself- that I have SOME type of incentive for people to look (pedigree). The lady has her listed for $500 firm and when I went to look I fell in love with a different horse but worked this mare on a longe line first. Apparently this lady was impressed and offered me the deal because "its good to see people working well with horses and I got off really well with her quickly." I am no expert for sure but I do well on a small scale. LOL. Anyways--hope that filled in any blanks. Thanks again ASHLEY

Low prices to me used to be anything below $45000....with $5000 to $7000 being the mid-range for a really good 2 year old to weanling that had potiential.
When you consider that there are now some really nice purebreds that cannot even be given away in different parts of the country then you get a entirely different perspective on just what is a good price and what will and will not sell.

When buying for resell...unless you really know your local market and can you can sell for an actual profit then it just is not worth doing it.

As for having an incentive with this mare to get people to buy her later on....well, unless she is really winning at your local shows...even the open ones....I do not see what she has (and just from what you have said, remember we have not see photos of her) going for her that would bring in the buyers.

[SVA]

Originally Posted by shell

Selling horses for profit takes a LOT of work. Bloodlines and color don't cut it any more. It is all about the show record and what the horse is trained to do and excells at.

Amen to that!! And in most cases you can't breed them for what you can buy them for.