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    Great cross. I've seen Arab/Percheron crosses before, but I like yours the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGreyMare View Post
    Nooo OP there is NOT "a lot" of Arabian blood in the Percheron bloodline. If whomever told you that, they are wrong and if you read it, would love to see the web page on that one. I am greatly familiar and knowledgeable of the Percheron draft horse, while it may be true far back, and were talking 100 plus years ago, that an Arabian was used to give that elegant appearance, I have yet to have anyone give me the blood lines and name of the Percheron with the Arabian bloodlines in their pedigree. If you know of it, please, share it. As if not, your giving out false information on a breed I dearly love. I can go pretty far back and have yet to find the Arabian blood, so I hope that you do more reading and if you can, get some of the older books on the Percheron, and read up on their history. I would hate for someone to assume that what you have said is true. Back in the 18th century, Arabians and English Thoroughbreds were imported and used with Percheron mares of good structure and conformational correct. The Royal Stud at Le Pin made Arabian stallions available to breeders of Percheron horses in an effort to improve the breed. In 1820, two gray Arab stallions were imported into Le Perche, France area and used extensively on the existing stock, and it is from these two that the present day gray color on the Percheron comes from. In 1823, a horse named Jean Le Blanc was foaled in Le Perche and all of today's Percheron bloodlines trace directly to this horse. I currently have 5 Percheron mare pedigree's framed and on my bedroom wall with Jean Le Blanc in them. As you can see, the Arabian blood was used but not since this time....and if it has, no one has spoken of it or where I have seen on a registered Percheron mare.

    And I too would love to see a good "Perch" cross, as the last I knew, a perch swam in the ocean.... Percheron on the other hand, can be quite elegant. I have two mares, one is a grade who is a very lovely mover under saddle and the other is a registered mare and very elegant in harness.

    As for all the crosses, I admit, I am a breed purist, would rather see the Percheron be improved within the breed instead of crossing them with every light horse there is or to the my pretty pony horses to get one with gobs amount of hair....some Percheron's have good hooves, but there are others that don't, you have to pay attention and know what your looking for.

    Maybe it's because I haven't enough coffee yet (which is a hard fact - no matter what) but can you clarify this post?

    You say that you've yet to find a perch with arab in its pedigree but then go on to explain that grey percherons get their colour from 2 grey arab stallions that were used extensively and that all horses now trace to Jean le Blanc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roleysnewmom View Post
    Stallion penetrated through vaginal wall, causing her to bleed out into her abdomen. The tear could be repaired, but there was a near guarantee of her having secondary infection and colic from scarring, the extent was a total unknown. And with the odds and cost estimate given, my only realistic course of action was putting her down. It was devastating. I lost her at Easter, and had just put down her dam Rosie at Christmas.

    ..that's sickly terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamBignRide View Post
    ..that's sickly terrible.
    Yes it is considering Roleysmom knew better...and did it anyway....selfish and NO thought to that poor mare..
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    Quote Originally Posted by nbd View Post
    Maybe it's because I haven't enough coffee yet (which is a hard fact - no matter what) but can you clarify this post?

    You say that you've yet to find a perch with arab in its pedigree but then go on to explain that grey percherons get their colour from 2 grey arab stallions that were used extensively and that all horses now trace to Jean le Blanc.

    Yep - more coffee pour moi.

    What I was TRYING to show is that there hasn't been Arabian in the Percheron blood line's since, for what, 190+ years?! So, in a sense, all the Percheron's now are pure and of NO Arabian blood. The OP was claiming or insinuating it was much more prevalent than it truly is. Perhaps I am reading too much into it.

    As for "Perch" in the Percheron line, I would love to see what a fish looks like crossed with an Arabian, maybe that is where we get mermaids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGreyMare View Post
    What I was TRYING to show is that there hasn't been Arabian in the Percheron blood line's since, for what, 190+ years?! So, in a sense, all the Percheron's now are pure and of NO Arabian blood. The OP was claiming or insinuating it was much more prevalent than it truly is. Perhaps I am reading too much into it.

    As for "Perch" in the Percheron line, I would love to see what a fish looks like crossed with an Arabian, maybe that is where we get mermaids?

    Ahh gotcha. I think that's probably where mermaids come from. I've yet to hear a better theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGreyMare View Post
    Nooo OP there is NOT "a lot" of Arabian blood in the Percheron bloodline. If whomever told you that, they are wrong and if you read it, would love to see the web page on that one. I am greatly familiar and knowledgeable of the Percheron draft horse, while it may be true far back, and were talking 100 plus years ago, that an Arabian was used to give that elegant appearance, I have yet to have anyone give me the blood lines and name of the Percheron with the Arabian bloodlines in their pedigree. If you know of it, please, share it. As if not, your giving out false information on a breed I dearly love. I can go pretty far back and have yet to find the Arabian blood, so I hope that you do more reading and if you can, get some of the older books on the Percheron, and read up on their history. I would hate for someone to assume that what you have said is true. Back in the 18th century, Arabians and English Thoroughbreds were imported and used with Percheron mares of good structure and conformational correct. The Royal Stud at Le Pin made Arabian stallions available to breeders of Percheron horses in an effort to improve the breed. In 1820, two gray Arab stallions were imported into Le Perche, France area and used extensively on the existing stock, and it is from these two that the present day gray color on the Percheron comes from. In 1823, a horse named Jean Le Blanc was foaled in Le Perche and all of today's Percheron bloodlines trace directly to this horse. I currently have 5 Percheron mare pedigree's framed and on my bedroom wall with Jean Le Blanc in them. As you can see, the Arabian blood was used but not since this time....and if it has, no one has spoken of it or where I have seen on a registered Percheron mare.

    And I too would love to see a good "Perch" cross, as the last I knew, a perch swam in the ocean.... Percheron on the other hand, can be quite elegant. I have two mares, one is a grade who is a very lovely mover under saddle and the other is a registered mare and very elegant in harness.

    As for all the crosses, I admit, I am a breed purist, would rather see the Percheron be improved within the breed instead of crossing them with every light horse there is or to the my pretty pony horses to get one with gobs amount of hair....some Percheron's have good hooves, but there are others that don't, you have to pay attention and know what your looking for.

    Lol, you say Im wrong about there being Arab blood, then go on to tell us about the Arabian blood that's in there breeding history. I never said recent, I said in their history, and as you confirmed that is true. Doesn't really matter how far back it is, it's in there as that proves that Arabs can cross in nicely when the right pair is matched.

    http://desertnormanhorse.weebly.com/breed-history.html

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    Shi...if you wish to assume your right you go right on ahead. You insinuated that there was "A LOT" of Arabian blood in the Percheron blood lines but I was trying to show that at one time, at what, over 190+ years ago yes, but after that and modern Percherons...no...unless it is a cross. I prefer to keep my Percheron's pure as they are already heading down a slippery slope of crappy purebreds, bad feet, over exaggerated leg action, hooves that fall apart, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveJockeysYum View Post
    lol, she is for sale, for a really stupid amount. She isnt gaited, and is a real brat TO OTHER HORSES. She will kick the **** out of every other horse around til everyone knows SHE IS THE BOSS, even then, they better not get in her way. Sweet as honey to people though!



    I gave her a nickname from an old western, Tommy Lee Jones's horse in Lonesome Dove.
    Totally off topic but I just had to say that I adore her marking. So cute!!
    (I'm with you on the rest of her though she does have a cute expression.)
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