[katydid]

Originally Posted by imjustjoking22

I dunno, he's bit that far behind IMO if you aren't planning on hunters

True, but no one around here anyway pays 10-15K for a green eventing prospect unless they are amazing -- let alone more than 15! Heck, you can get a pretty decent, young-ish seasoned eventer for that price around here. They are just priced lower than hunters. I know nothing about dressage prospects, but she said his jump makes up for his not-fab trot, which makes me think she could sell him better as some type of jumper.

Also, my old eventing trainer normally had the horses she started at 4 going BN by 5 ... so he would be somewhat behind on that scale, too. Not that it's a big flaw for the horse, but in terms of pricing a youngster, what they can do NOW does matter.

[MysticRealm]

Horses around here like this one would easily go for 10-15 at least

[Rhythm 'n Blues]

Originally Posted by katydid

I know nothing about dressage prospects, but she said his jump makes up for his not-fab trot, which makes me think she could sell him better as some type of jumper.

Just wanted to comment the bolded part. Please don't be fooled by a "not-fab trot"! The Trot gait is the one that a rider can have THE MOST influance over and can play with and mold & improve quite a substantial amount. The gait you can't do much about at all in the walk, with the canter in the middle.

Why people have this obcession with showing sales videos with a horse trotting across a field and saying "he has gorgeous movement" is totally beyond me!! Honestly when I was looking for my future upper level Dressage mount, I didn't really care about what his trot looked like. I wanted to see a HUGE sweeping walk with lots of over tracking & a nice lofty ground covering canter with lots of suspension. I wanted to see those things is a semi-controled environment too, as we all know our beasts will never move as nicely undersaddle as they do roarring around the field

That being said, it doesn't say anything about what kinda rider can ride him. If he needs an intermediate or advanced rider to get something nice outta him, then I'd say 12-15K is pretty fair. If he can pack around a kid or beginner, over fences and through all his passes & lateral movement & lengthens/shortens with ease, then I honestly wouldn't sell him for less than 18k. That 3-6k difference to me is all for mind set! If ya have a super quiet guy willing to pack any one & any thing around, the price MUST reflect that! Case in point the big DWB I have for sale for 20k....temperment is exactly why!

[HorseCraze120]

I bet you could easily get $10,000 for him. He is stunning. I just love his color, jump and he sounds like he has an amazing temperament.

I knew of a Selle/Hano mix, and I just love the mix! I'm drooling over your boy haha

[xlilxonex]

What a cutie!!

[imjustjoking22]

Originally Posted by katydid

True, but no one around here anyway pays 10-15K for a green eventing prospect unless they are amazing -- let alone more than 15! Heck, you can get a pretty decent, young-ish seasoned eventer for that price around here. They are just priced lower than hunters. I know nothing about dressage prospects, but she said his jump makes up for his not-fab trot, which makes me think she could sell him better as some type of jumper.

Also, my old eventing trainer normally had the horses she started at 4 going BN by 5 ... so he would be somewhat behind on that scale, too. Not that it's a big flaw for the horse, but in terms of pricing a youngster, what they can do NOW does matter.

Yea, you make a good point. My horse seems pretty far behind the pack to me at 6 yrs old, and he has decent changes, has been schooled a lot of places- foxhunting, solid on trails, cross country, etc (but not shown much), and courses 3ft-3ft3, singles at 3ft6. If I were to sell him I don't know that I could get more than 10-15k...

That being said, if you're in a place where the market isn't bad I would still say you could get 10k for Vinny just selling based on potential to the right buyer That would depend most on how he was under saddle for tryouts. If you were actually selling I would say make sure he gets ridden by a lot of different people if you could, since it can really help.

ETA: there *are* a fair amount of people out there who don't like to see a horse jumping at all until 5 yrs old, so I don't think that would turn people away.

[paintpony1]

he would be pushing 30-40,000 in my area - HUGE h/j area.

[xduckehx]

thanks everyone, especially the few of you who went a bit further with your reasoning. It gives me a much better idea of why, and things to consider. Vinny knowa his leads, and has been schooled with flying changes (he has the idea, but we were not at a facility this spring that really supported the schooling of anything.. was more a pleasure based place). He's not the "giant" warmblood (17h+), but he's powerful and talented. He's probably about 1300lbs, and takes an 86" blanket.. so he's not tiny by any means lol

As for personality, he has an incredible personality on the ground. I can call him and he'll come flying from where ever he is, he'd rather hang out with me than his pony-pals. He does not have a mean bone in his body. But, after mentioning his size, and age... I would probably not trust him to go schooling with a young person, or just anyone. He's a very good boy, but he's still pretty young and definitely has his baby moments.. so he would need an experienced rider. He has a soft mouth, so requires soft hands.

As for age for being started over fences.. he's a big horse, as I mentioned, and that was actually a personal preference for waiting So he is farther behind in that aspect.. he's still growing, and I really didn't see the point in putting jumps in front of him when I wasn't happy with how other things were doing at the time (we were working on suppling his right side as he was stiff from time off, doing raised poles, working on approach and coming off of the poles, etc). He wasn't started under saddle till he was 3 as well. Sorry for the bad angles with the jumps, they were never really intended for this purpose, and it's all I have. I'll take another look though!

I plan on starting him in hunters, and moving into jumpers.. I always assumed he didn't have the "look" for hunters. Up here, you see alot of thoroughbreds, or more refined types, you also don't see much chrome.

Katydid; he's not going to be an eventer, unless it's just for fun Aiming more towards Hunters and Jumpers.

Rhythem; His walk and canter definitely make up for his "less than anturally pretty" trot.. but I know we'll be able to work with it, and he's come a long ways... but taking this summer off was pretty unexpected so we still have some work ahead of us

Merlin; no... I'm not selling him lmao, I just wanted a realistic idea of what he's worth at this point my orange ugly duckling who's turned into a swan heheh

[katydid]

Oh, I don't think anyone was critiquing the fact that he is a little bit behind ... I know personally, my mare was started at 4 and then spent a solid year tooling on the flat because I didn't want to rush her ... but as I said, she will also be a bit behind as she will turn six during her baby green year. It IS personal preference, as you said. But you asked what a fair price for him is, and that depends a LOT on how much they know, at this age especially. Obviously, he's a good lookin' horse and there's a huge price variation for a handsome creature, depending on what they know. I certainly was not criticizing his level of experience, just commenting on what about his training makes him worth less than he could be less right now ...

And as for eventing, I was just responding to Ari's comment that he isn't that behind for some other disciplines. Of course she is right! But again, if we are just talking price, you could prolly get best price for him by aiming him at a discipline like the hunters -- at least in these parts!

I stick to my original opinion: 10-15 as is, higher if you got him doing changes and courses at the baby green height.

PS: Ari, I think you are selling Kai short! I wouldn't let him go for 10-15K, personally.

[xduckehx]

Katydid; I didn't mean to come off as defensive, sorry.. I was just explaining why I did wait so that there wasn't an assumption that something was wrong with him lmao