Appaloosa color/pattern help needed!

ACCphotography · 11-03-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fancy That

This is why I love this forum! You learn something new all the time! Laura - it totally makes sense to stick to the genetic color "LP Roan or LP Roaning" and save the descriptives for whatever is applicable (varnish, snowflake, etc)

Personally, I thought snowflake was it's own pattern (not LP roan) and I usually saw "varnish" clumped with "roan" all the time to describe "Appy Roan"

Must drive you crazy!

Those were my thoughts too.

Eastowest · 11-04-2009, 08:06 AM

I see "snowflake" as a type/stage of roaning, since the LP snowflaked horse usually gets more and more snowflakes as they age, and the location and size of the snowflakes can change from year to year (unlike the dark Appaloosa spots-- more might get "uncovered" during the roaning process, but they do not disappear or "move" unless the horse is greying, in which case the skin still shows the spot after the hair is white.)

Often a horse will "snowflake out" to white-- so to me snowflakes are just..... ummm..... clumps of LP roaning. LP roan seems to be the constant. HOW the roan expresses and/or progresses (snowflake, varnish)-IF it progresses- is variable. Varnishing is more common-- and sometimes you get both on the same horse.

Not sayin' I am right or mine is the only way to describe LP "stuff".....Just sayin', unless I SEE varnishing, I don't call it a varnish roan.

Laura Lyon
Eastowest
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OhSoAppy · 11-04-2009, 09:09 AM

I must say, Appaloosa's are interesting animals

This mare reminds me of Taylor's half sister, Potential Connection(out of Taylor's Dam).

She looks like she would be a 'snowflake roan' as well:

Laura, I am going to use Jazzy as an example.

The snowflakes on this mare seem different then the type of snowflakes on Jazzy. Hers appear more solid, and truly a 'spot'. Most of the snowflakes I am seeing are rather small, like the one on Jazzy's shoulder(posted below).

One snowflake in particular on her hind end seems rather 'big' compared to others. Is that typical in your experience to see varying degrees in size like that?

Here is the one under her mane. This looks more typical from what I am seeing.

Eastowest · 11-04-2009, 12:17 PM

That big one does look "crisp" doesn't it. Can you tell that one or the other one on her rump have any pink skin under them? Just curious-- those little white spots could theoretically be a very very minimally expressed blanket..... like, a micro-blanket..... Hey! a new Appy term! LOL Seriously, it will be interesting to see if they change at all, and how, come spring when she sheds.

Laura Lyon
Eastowest
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OhSoAppy · 11-04-2009, 06:57 PM

Micro-Blanket, I like that...better then my 'wannabee blanket' term I use LOL

I tried to look today, and I could not see any pink under the skin. Then again, I couldn't really tell what the color was. I will take a better look at it tomorrow. I am glad you think it looks a bit different, too! It is very crisp, it looks like a true 'spot' that you see horses born with. However, is it even possible for a minimally expressed blanket to 'pop up' even though the foal was born solid? Or is the action the same as snowflakes?

I am eagerly awaiting next years coat. One of the fun things with these Appaloosas!

amor2429 · 11-04-2009, 09:27 PM

I've heard of a thing called 'penny spots' on horses of different breeds and colour background, does anyone think it could be that?
I read it in a horse magazine and they had a bay horse with 'penny spots', varying sizes of different coins, and only like 3-5 of them on the rump/back.
Just my two cents... get it.. im joking.

11-04-2009, 09:09 AM	#13
OhSoAppy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 811	I must say, Appaloosa's are interesting animals This mare reminds me of Taylor's half sister, Potential Connection(out of Taylor's Dam). She looks like she would be a 'snowflake roan' as well: Laura, I am going to use Jazzy as an example. The snowflakes on this mare seem different then the type of snowflakes on Jazzy. Hers appear more solid, and truly a 'spot'. Most of the snowflakes I am seeing are rather small, like the one on Jazzy's shoulder(posted below). One snowflake in particular on her hind end seems rather 'big' compared to others. Is that typical in your experience to see varying degrees in size like that? Here is the one under her mane. This looks more typical from what I am seeing. __________________ Taylor~ 11 year old ApHC, Charlie~ 6 year old DWB/TB , Jazzy~ 1 year old ApHC

11-04-2009, 06:57 PM	#15
OhSoAppy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 811	Micro-Blanket, I like that...better then my 'wannabee blanket' term I use LOL I tried to look today, and I could not see any pink under the skin. Then again, I couldn't really tell what the color was. I will take a better look at it tomorrow. I am glad you think it looks a bit different, too! It is very crisp, it looks like a true 'spot' that you see horses born with. However, is it even possible for a minimally expressed blanket to 'pop up' even though the foal was born solid? Or is the action the same as snowflakes? I am eagerly awaiting next years coat. One of the fun things with these Appaloosas! __________________ Taylor~ 11 year old ApHC, Charlie~ 6 year old DWB/TB , Jazzy~ 1 year old ApHC

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11-04-2009, 08:06 AM	#12
Eastowest Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 495 Images: 26	I see "snowflake" as a type/stage of roaning, since the LP snowflaked horse usually gets more and more snowflakes as they age, and the location and size of the snowflakes can change from year to year (unlike the dark Appaloosa spots-- more might get "uncovered" during the roaning process, but they do not disappear or "move" unless the horse is greying, in which case the skin still shows the spot after the hair is white.) Often a horse will "snowflake out" to white-- so to me snowflakes are just..... ummm..... clumps of LP roaning. LP roan seems to be the constant. HOW the roan expresses and/or progresses (snowflake, varnish)-IF it progresses- is variable. Varnishing is more common-- and sometimes you get both on the same horse. Not sayin' I am right or mine is the only way to describe LP "stuff".....Just sayin', unless I SEE varnishing, I don't call it a varnish roan. Laura Lyon Eastowest http://www.eastowest.com

11-04-2009, 12:17 PM	#14
Eastowest Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 495 Images: 26	That big one does look "crisp" doesn't it. Can you tell that one or the other one on her rump have any pink skin under them? Just curious-- those little white spots could theoretically be a very very minimally expressed blanket..... like, a micro-blanket..... Hey! a new Appy term! LOL Seriously, it will be interesting to see if they change at all, and how, come spring when she sheds. Laura Lyon Eastowest http://www.eastowest.com

11-04-2009, 09:27 PM	#16
amor2429 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 24 Images: 1	I've heard of a thing called 'penny spots' on horses of different breeds and colour background, does anyone think it could be that? I read it in a horse magazine and they had a bay horse with 'penny spots', varying sizes of different coins, and only like 3-5 of them on the rump/back. Just my two cents... get it.. im joking.