Anyone who really knows QH bloodlines...

Blondehorse · 07-04-2006, 06:41 AM

This is sort of an odd question, and I wasn't sure which forum to put it in, but here goes:
I'm kind of interested in getting a QH baby to start, maybe next year sometime. I really don't know very much about QH bloodlines, though. I'm used to working with hot-blooded horses like TBs and Arabs, and that's what I like--a horse with a lot of feel, very keen. I know there are certain lines of QH that are more hot-blooded and sensitive, like some cutting lines and such. I think the Doc O Lena-bred horses are that way. Anyway, what I'm wondering is, can people maybe tell me some of the more recognizable names in the QH world, and what those lines are used for, like cutting, barrel racing, etc. I already know some of the really famous ones, like Doc Bar, Poco Bueno, Smart Little Lena, etc. What about horses with 'Sugar' or 'Wimpy', or 'Skip', or 'Chex' in their names? And how about foundation-bred QH? What exactly does that mean? Would they be the more cowy, hot horses, or not? There's a big QH farm in Iowa that has a lot of babies every year, and have very reasonable prices. Nice animals. They are foundation-bred, and I just wondered what that meant.
As you can tell from all the questions, I really don't know too much about QHs... never owned one before.

I appreciate any enlightenment anyone can offer!

faroutfax · 07-04-2006, 07:48 AM

I believe that the foundation quarter horses are the older "bulldog" kind and the apendixes are more like TBs. Please correct me if i'm wrong

Top Dun · 07-04-2006, 08:07 AM

Foundation horses are those who trace the vast majority of their bloodlines back to the original founding horses of the AQHA. They are generally the versatile ranch work/cutting type horses. They will track back to horses (example only) Like Poco Bueno, King, Whimpy etc.

Appendix horses are QH and Tb crosses who have NOT proven themselves in AQHA competition and have what is known as a Register of Merit (ROM for short)

The following are MY personal preferences, but are based on the already proven abilities of the lines.

For Cutting horses I'd like to see lines like the peppy lines, The Lena lines and the Doc bar lines.

For halter many people prefer the Inpressive lines. I'm not interested in halter horses.

For barrels/games events, I like a combinations of the OLD and new Speed lines. Like say an Easy Jet line with an older Texas Dandy line. Or A Dash for Cash with a rebel cause line.

For reining I'd look for a Hollywood dun lines.

But for you, you really need to decide what you want the horse for. If you are just going to do Pleasure riding ( ie for fun not the western pleasure class) trail riding or some fun and games classes but not be hugely competitive, Most any horse will do. If yu wnat to be competitive then start by determining what you want to show in and look for horses who's ancesters did well in those events.

Blondehorse · 07-04-2006, 08:56 AM

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For halter many people prefer the Inpressive lines. I'm not interested in halter horses.

Me neither.

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But for you, you really need to decide what you want the horse for. If you are just going to do Pleasure riding ( ie for fun not the western pleasure class) trail riding or some fun and games classes but not be hugely competitive, Most any horse will do. If yu wnat to be competitive then start by determining what you want to show in and look for horses who's ancesters did well in those events.

I don't show, but may get into working cattle. We are moving and getting a lot more land, and it wouldn't surprise me if we ended up getting some cattle, too. I've always been interested in working cows. But, just because I don't show doesn't mean I want just any old horse. I know what type of conformation and personality I'm looking for, and I don't want some deadhead, therefore I'm looking for the quicker, hotter type of QH vs. the laid-back pleasure or halter type.

Thanks for the info, it was very helpful!

Super Step · 07-04-2006, 10:40 AM

Most foundation lines are real calm horses. They had to be to work all day.
I buy horses bred for ranch work.
They can give me 20 mile a day and then 20 the next. Good bone, good feet, good muscle.

Some modern lines could give you 20 miles in a day. But would take a week to recover.

There is a difference between wanting a horse that is hot, and a horse that has heart.
I do not want a hot horse. I want one that can drop his head and lope 20 acres. One that can kick it in and out me on a calf. One that can slide and spin if needed.
I have never owned a hot horse that could do those things.

Wimpy, Skipper W, Blondys Dude, Sugar Bars..... the list goes on forever on good solid versatile producers.

AlazyT · 07-04-2006, 10:55 AM

Foundation horses are usually calmer , but one line that too me has a little more spunk is the Hancock line. I don't beleive them any better than other lines, they are just a little more ornery. LOL I haven't had alot to do with the speed horses, but alot of the people I have talked to say that Go Man Go lines are pretty hot blooded. For working horses I really like the lines of Hancock, Driftwood, Blackburn, and Colonel Freckles.

Blondehorse · 07-04-2006, 11:24 AM

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There is a difference between wanting a horse that is hot, and a horse that has heart.
I do not want a hot horse. I want one that can drop his head and lope 20 acres. One that can kick it in and out me on a calf. One that can slide and spin if needed.
I have never owned a hot horse that could do those things.

I guess I should be more clear. I never said I wanted a hot horse, just one that was a hotter type than say, a pleasure or halter bred horse. I think most people would agree that a cutting bred QH is hotter than a western pleasure bred QH. That doesn't mean the cutter is hot, just that he's hotter than the pleasure horse. I want a horse that's keen, not one that I have to push all the time. I'd rather have to hold a horse in than push him forward all the time. I want a sensitive horse because that's what I'm used to, and I like a horse that has a lot of feel to it. They're easier to train, and they learn more quickly than a horse who is so dead-headed you have to wake him up to teach him anything. Maybe some people like that kind of horse, and that's great, but it's not what I want.
I think we're on the same page, it's just that maybe I shouldn't have used the word 'hot'... I didn't mean that I wanted a hot horse, just one that's hotter than your typical laid-back QH.

AlazyT · 07-04-2006, 11:29 AM

I forgot King Fritz, I also like him. Most horses with Chex in thier name are from his line.

Trace · 07-04-2006, 11:55 AM

I had a Two Eyed Jack line mare - she was 100% the best horse I have ever owned or ridden. Went when you wanted her to - slowed down when you wanted her too. She could work cows like no tommorow and then walk a three year old child around the arena in the cows right after and you knew you didn;t have to worry about a thing.

She was built like a brick sh*t house, but still had a feminine look about her, plus a great personality.

I miss that mare like you don;t know......

07-04-2006, 06:41 AM	#1
Blondehorse Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,786 Images: 295 Blog Entries: 14	Anyone who really knows QH bloodlines... This is sort of an odd question, and I wasn't sure which forum to put it in, but here goes: I'm kind of interested in getting a QH baby to start, maybe next year sometime. I really don't know very much about QH bloodlines, though. I'm used to working with hot-blooded horses like TBs and Arabs, and that's what I like--a horse with a lot of feel, very keen. I know there are certain lines of QH that are more hot-blooded and sensitive, like some cutting lines and such. I think the Doc O Lena-bred horses are that way. Anyway, what I'm wondering is, can people maybe tell me some of the more recognizable names in the QH world, and what those lines are used for, like cutting, barrel racing, etc. I already know some of the really famous ones, like Doc Bar, Poco Bueno, Smart Little Lena, etc. What about horses with 'Sugar' or 'Wimpy', or 'Skip', or 'Chex' in their names? And how about foundation-bred QH? What exactly does that mean? Would they be the more cowy, hot horses, or not? There's a big QH farm in Iowa that has a lot of babies every year, and have very reasonable prices. Nice animals. They are foundation-bred, and I just wondered what that meant. As you can tell from all the questions, I really don't know too much about QHs... never owned one before. I appreciate any enlightenment anyone can offer! __________________ PA Khavele (*Furno Khamal x Nomevelle) '95 Arabian mare AKA Val JB Nikhovelli (Zars Nike x PA Khavele) '09 Arabian colt AKA Tariq

07-04-2006, 07:48 AM	#2
faroutfax Senior Member+ Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 5,785 Images: 428 Blog Entries: 16	I believe that the foundation quarter horses are the older "bulldog" kind and the apendixes are more like TBs. Please correct me if i'm wrong __________________ One Man's Wrong Lead is Another's Counter Canter Smiley Addict

07-04-2006, 08:07 AM	#3
Top Dun Senior Member+ Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,714 Images: 183 Blog Entries: 1	Foundation horses are those who trace the vast majority of their bloodlines back to the original founding horses of the AQHA. They are generally the versatile ranch work/cutting type horses. They will track back to horses (example only) Like Poco Bueno, King, Whimpy etc. Appendix horses are QH and Tb crosses who have NOT proven themselves in AQHA competition and have what is known as a Register of Merit (ROM for short) The following are MY personal preferences, but are based on the already proven abilities of the lines. For Cutting horses I'd like to see lines like the peppy lines, The Lena lines and the Doc bar lines. For halter many people prefer the Inpressive lines. I'm not interested in halter horses. For barrels/games events, I like a combinations of the OLD and new Speed lines. Like say an Easy Jet line with an older Texas Dandy line. Or A Dash for Cash with a rebel cause line. For reining I'd look for a Hollywood dun lines. But for you, you really need to decide what you want the horse for. If you are just going to do Pleasure riding ( ie for fun not the western pleasure class) trail riding or some fun and games classes but not be hugely competitive, Most any horse will do. If yu wnat to be competitive then start by determining what you want to show in and look for horses who's ancesters did well in those events. __________________ Cattle Producers DO NOT want NAIS: When asked if they thought NAIS should be a mandatory system requiring all U.S. cattle producers to participate, 21.22% of respondents said yes, 50.32% said no, and 28.46% were undecided.

07-04-2006, 10:40 AM	#5
Super Step Senior Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 13,846 Images: 234 Blog Entries: 50	Most foundation lines are real calm horses. They had to be to work all day. I buy horses bred for ranch work. They can give me 20 mile a day and then 20 the next. Good bone, good feet, good muscle. Some modern lines could give you 20 miles in a day. But would take a week to recover. There is a difference between wanting a horse that is hot, and a horse that has heart. I do not want a hot horse. I want one that can drop his head and lope 20 acres. One that can kick it in and out me on a calf. One that can slide and spin if needed. I have never owned a hot horse that could do those things. Wimpy, Skipper W, Blondys Dude, Sugar Bars..... the list goes on forever on good solid versatile producers. __________________ I have never had a horse lie to me.

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07-04-2006, 10:55 AM	#6
AlazyT Full Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Images: 6	Foundation horses are usually calmer , but one line that too me has a little more spunk is the Hancock line. I don't beleive them any better than other lines, they are just a little more ornery. LOL I haven't had alot to do with the speed horses, but alot of the people I have talked to say that Go Man Go lines are pretty hot blooded. For working horses I really like the lines of Hancock, Driftwood, Blackburn, and Colonel Freckles.

07-04-2006, 11:29 AM	#8
AlazyT Full Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 65 Images: 6	I forgot King Fritz, I also like him. Most horses with Chex in thier name are from his line.

07-04-2006, 11:55 AM	#9
Trace Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: CT, but from England originally Posts: 2,324 Images: 22 Blog Entries: 7	I had a Two Eyed Jack line mare - she was 100% the best horse I have ever owned or ridden. Went when you wanted her to - slowed down when you wanted her too. She could work cows like no tommorow and then walk a three year old child around the arena in the cows right after and you knew you didn;t have to worry about a thing. She was built like a brick sh*t house, but still had a feminine look about her, plus a great personality. I miss that mare like you don;t know......