[Berlunz]

Originally Posted by BornToRide

So its not the breeders fault when you get a litter of mean pitbulls?

its the breeders fault, the buyers fault and publics fault for supporting blood sports. Just like in horses, personality passes from adult to babies and instinct is ingrained you cant avoid it. Pitbulls are bred to have a strong instinct and its hard to fix it at this point without going outside the breed. If you take a biology class they will probably teach you something about genetics and the gene pool. At this point the pitbulls gene pool has been polluted by a single bad trait. That trait is so prominent its sometimes hard to find ones without it to create genetic diversity in the breed. Since you cannot go outside the breed to expand the gene pool you are stuck just slowly letting this single gene take over the entire breed.. unless you start inbreeding the dogs who are lacking the strong attack instinct in which case then you get health problems

[tbtrainer]

According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:

If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.

Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."

[BornToRide]

Originally Posted by tbtrainer

Believe me, we know this guy, he is NOT a dog abuser...that is absurd to even try and blame the owner...are you also going to blame every other person/dog/horse that was attacked by a pit?

OVER 95 % of the time.. it is an owner.. i am not saying all owners. But most. But there are some people who seem to take good care of there dogs then you get inside the scene.. and they really dont.. simply why i stated
Proper training.. prevents alot.

[lilrider]

Originally Posted by Rae

You know, I've always bought into the **** that it's not the dog, it's the owner. And yet, somehow, 98% of stories like this you hear are about pit bulls. It's not coincidence, folks.

If I was that farm owner, I would've had a gun on premises.

And it's so unbelievable that the dog owner's fines are so small, compared to the loss of the farm owner.

You only hear about the pits because it gets attention. If a lab did the same doubtful it would be reported. Also pit bull is not a recognized AKC breed. Oftentimes they even mislabel dogs as pitbulls when they are just mixed breed dogs.

Maybe it would be reported if a lab did it to a horse, but I am talking big picture. As in dog attacks and dog bites.

[Berlunz]

Originally Posted by BornToRide

OVER 95 % of the time.. it is an owner.. i am not saying all owners. But most. But there are some people who seem to take good care of there dogs then you get inside the scene.. and they really dont.. simply why i stated
Proper training.. prevents alot.

I guess its amazing that all the bad abusive owners end up with pitbulls then isnt it? If you were making that argument for dogs in general it would be believable. But based on the sheer amount of attacks by pitbulls it makes that statement invalid. It would be too much of a coincidence for all the bad owners to own pitbulls... it actually just proves even more that people who dont understand the breed and take extra precautions end up in situations like this..in which case most of that blame would fall on the dog and their disposition and not the owner and their lack of knowledge

[tbtrainer]

Born, I'm done, it's late...do yourself a favor and really read the link I posted...it's not Pit Bull bashing, but filled with good statistics, and some good information about what to do about the problem...

It really does list all dog homicides, not just from Pits...it never hurts to educate oneself.

[BornToRide]

Originally Posted by gigga

lol.. you saw 5 dogs and 3 kids killed, and a dog of a friends of ours killed 3 kids? sorry I find that hard to believe.. I was a victem of a dog attack when I was 4 or 5 and not by a pit bull but I still think pitt bulls are more dangerous than most breeds, even more than a german shepard (how have a rep of attacking ppl and are not recommended to be in a home with children) I was attact by a German Sheperd and all it took for her to stop was my mothers scream and she went flying to the corner crying.

You can believe what ever you wish there hunny. People all believe pit bulls are so dangerous because its all the media want to tell everyone.. notice all the registered breeds are not spoke about?

[Berlunz]

Originally Posted by lilrider

You only hear about the pits because it gets attention. If a lab did the same doubtful it would be reported. Also pit bull is not a recognized AKC breed. Oftentimes they even mislabel dogs as pitbulls when they are just mixed breed dogs.

Maybe it would be reported if a lab did it to a horse, but I am talking big picture. As in dog attacks and dog bites.

Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family that were historically used for dog fighting. The breeds most often placed in this category are the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

They also list many other breeds that can be considered pitbulls..

[lilrider]

Originally Posted by Pepper4507

I wonder what people who defend these attack dogs would be saying if they were burying their own horses or children ?

I would not be mad at the dog. I would be mad at the owner, the breeder, the law for not taking care of this dog before hand. You can not blame the dog for who it is. But I would still say yes put the dog down. If I ever have a dog (a large dog... my little rat terrier is anti social with strangers until she gets to know them) who shows aggression towards any person you better believe I will do something. Showing aggression in the sense of attacking, the dog gets put down.

Originally Posted by Berlunz

Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family that were historically used for dog fighting. The breeds most often placed in this category are the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

They also list many other breeds that can be considered pitbulls..

Ah but you see Pit Bull IS a breed in the UKC. So it is and isn't a breed. Odd huh? Anyhow when used as a group, it should only apply to staffies and amstaffs. None others. There are other bull baiting dogs of course. American Bulldogs, Bulldogs, Boxers... etc. The bully breeds in general.

As for Pitties being dangerous... well look at the majority of the people breeding them. How many of the pitbulls who are attacking were bred bu reputable show breeders? How many were bred by BYB's?

How many were bred by people potentially fighting their dogs?

Even BYB's could easily breed a dog with fighting blood and not know it. A responsible breeder would be carefully screening for temperament, not just the parents but the grandparents great grandparents etc.

Yes animals can be born with a bad attitude. We have a new kitten. She is a little brat. She actually attacks my rat terrier Gracie. She has attacked me a couple times when I scolded her. She has an attitude lol. Now not as big of a deal in a cat but in a huge dog, yes thats a problem.

As for who is responsible. It is absolutely the owners fault. Every time. The dog is doing what instinct says. Owners are responsible for keeping their dogs in check.

[MissCriss]

Sedona16, your Pitt is a doll! So pretty.

She does not look like your traditional pitt...might be why she is so sweet.

Pitts are naturally affectionate dogs, from my experience, but still dangerous. Example, when you see cops raid a Pitt fight, the dogs come at you wagging their tails...

but all it takes is the right thing to trigger them...

They were bred ILLEGALLY. At least, that is what I have been taught. I learned that historically, they were bull baiting dogs, and then later on, were bred illegally to advance the dog. So, of course they have instincts that are stronger than all other breeds of dogs. The dogs aren't being mean. It is what nature taught them is the right thing to do.

All dogs are bred to have some kind of instinct. The maltese: to be a companion. The rottweiler: to pull. The border collie: to herd. The doberman: to guard. And the pittbull: to fight. And to fight hard.

Not only that, but man they are built to be STRONG. If you look at how the jaw muscles in your average dog are built, they only wrap around so far. The Pitt has jaw muscles that extend beyond the average dog's. Therefore making it all that much more affective.

I think if you have a Pitt, you better raise it the correct way when raising high predatory dogs, because you can't train out instinct. It's just SCIENCE, nothing else, the way they were bred, what is part of their brain. And, if you have a Pitt, you better observe them well and keep them properly contained.