All About the Tap

cowgurly02 · 12-18-2005, 06:21 PM

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Its like a safe method to simmer your horse down for a bit. Or just to get it calm enough for bitting or saddleing it!!

Wouldn't you rather TRAIN your horse instead of make it sleepy and unresponsive?? It sounds to me like a cheap short cut. I'd rather have my horse trained properly than rely on a gimmick that you have to use every time to make your horse behave. With proper training you wouldn't have so many problems and need to put your horse to "sleep" to do anything with it. Just MO.

dakota's_sable · 12-18-2005, 07:00 PM

Why is so much emphasis being put on this as being a training method? Call me crazy, but the way I see it is it's used as a way to calm a horse. If you have a horse that won't stand for the farrier, gets nervous about getting a shot, prances around while being saddled or lead, or just spooks; then I can see this technique being used. If all else fails and this is the only way to prevent a horse from hurting itself or me or anyone else, then I'm glad this technique has been brought to my attention. Hopefully, I'll never have to use it on my horses, but it's there if I need it.

Remember the saying, "Don't knock it til you've tried it." ??? At least don't knock it so hard. Geez.

Okay, I've said my 2 cents worth now everyone carry on. I've enjoyed these posts very much.

Endorphins4u2 · 12-18-2005, 07:01 PM

Hi,

I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot, I thought you you throwing a dare at me..

( I'm not *****, just cheeky at times

) Beware all I can be deadly fast with a comeback .

Anyway, Just a few questions ?

1) What was the time period between her last ride and when your husband got on ?

2)How often was she being riden ?

Also, horses are very good at noticing a difference between two peoples riding styles, if your husband's legs were even a fraction different to where your legs normally are, it is enough to set them off, if he squeazed harder with his legs than you, she would notice the difference and panic if she felt he was not her usual rider that she learnt to trust. Horse can have insecurites complexes too.

The grain, I found some horse's can have like little nuclear reactors of energy in them and can explode anytime, even if they lived on only water.
Some of my worst rides came from little scrawny horse's that I thought "Didn't have the goods" but when I got on ..it's like

I'm sorry mommy I didn't mean it...

Getting her to walk,trot and canter is just taking it one step at a time, master one before moving on to the other. Then you will have to keep her going and ride her everyday if you can without days off or she go back the way she was.. Don't let your husband on her again, it's not worth him getting hurt again, it's just one of those cases where horse and rider or riding style weren't compatible at that stage..

You also may be a very capable rider but you must weigh up the risk of wanting to ride her and getting hurt, and if you have a bad hip I just wouldn't recommend it no matter how much you love her..

Given enough reason, a horse can go off no matter who rides them..

Getting her to run fast is up to her, they can only do what their bodies allow them. If they have had proper training, they are showing there best already.We feed all our horses the same and do the same training but every now and again one or two stick out from the others. Why are some faster than others, they just are..

Last, the endorphin tap can take the edge off any horse if you want it to..
It hasn't failed me once..

Endorphins4u2 · 12-18-2005, 07:16 PM

Hi,

Yeh, that was my fault because I put it in the Training thread....sorry

Also, there too far too many horses and not enough trainers,

Last,

To Mrgreensfriend,

Riding quiet ones was a luxury you just lost, from tomorrow I will put someone else on him..Colin will also have new rides..

"You abuse it, you lose it"

BuddyPalAmiga · 12-18-2005, 07:42 PM

I'd just like to say that I appreciate how you have ditched the ***** attitude and I appreciate it

Thank you. I for one am way more ready to listen now

I did watch your vid and I have some mixed emotions, but that's ok. I am going to try the half tap on my old guy who hates shots and deworming with a passion. I don't have to twitch him, but he just a spaz and won't stand still.
I've heard before that some horses can become addicted to the 'high'. Do you know if this is true or have you experienced this?
Beth

Toredano · 12-18-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Peg D

I did watch the video. I immediately thought of one of my hubbys many tales (don't ask me why, I have random thoughts now and then) from his youth.
Seems that he found a neat trick to put the chickens to "sleep." He would tuck their head under their wing and while holding them in his hands he said he made a circle with them (get them dizzy? I don't know) anyway.... he did the whole flock. Grandma was not happy. They all died. And hubby never even got a whooin for it.

I have yet to see a chicken die from this.. and we have done this plenty of times with the chickens..

BornToRide · 12-18-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgurly02

Wouldn't you rather TRAIN your horse instead of make it sleepy and unresponsive?? It sounds to me like a cheap short cut. I'd rather have my horse trained properly than rely on a gimmick that you have to use every time to make your horse behave. With proper training you wouldn't have so many problems and need to put your horse to "sleep" to do anything with it. Just MO.

i 100% agree with you.. wouldnt someone rather have there horse as there friend ? not some drugged up thing that your riding around on!!!

Endorphins4u2 · 12-18-2005, 08:23 PM

Hi Beth,

I haven't heard of that, but have read many times windsucking releases endorphins and that's why they can't or won't stop..

Another thing about the Half or Full tap, it's not a power struggle to get their head to come around, If they turn their head a bit and stop just wait till they relax their neck muscles and they'll turn then.

Take your time if you want, it's like a time release mechanism, they will still go sleepy taking your time.

Your horse shouldn't spaz with this method, just wait til his head gets heavy and have them approach him slowly with the shot or whatever, If he lifts his head and looks awake, turn his head a bit more. It really work like a tap. The more you turn their head, the sleepier they get.

Remember: Brain activity, the quieter the suroundings the better this works..clapping your hands is enough to snap them out of it.So just do what ever you want to do at a leisurely pace, don't rush..

Endorphins4u2 · 12-18-2005, 08:28 PM

They aren't druged up...

If you don't like it, then don't do it.. ( Hello )

Friesiangirl · 12-18-2005, 08:51 PM

I would not use it for breaking/starting BUT, what about those horses that are just so nervous at shows, and what about horses that just think that those clippers are gonna grow fangs and kill them? What about horses that are so afraid of girths that they will REAR UP unless they've been worked to the point of sweating hevely. Wouldn't it just be easier to distract them with toys or this meathod then have a horse thats rearing/bucking or f-r-e-a-k-i-n-g out at a show, or a horse that just broke the cross ties when you were saddling up, or a skittish horse from the auction that just won't stop spooking at your trailer? I'd rather have a "drugged" horse than a dangerous one. I haven't used this meathod for myself but, you know, this person isn't force feeding it down our throats, he's just trying to explain what works for him.

12-18-2005, 07:00 PM	#72
dakota's_sable Senior Member+ Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SE South Dakota Posts: 1,686 Images: 14	Why is so much emphasis being put on this as being a training method? Call me crazy, but the way I see it is it's used as a way to calm a horse. If you have a horse that won't stand for the farrier, gets nervous about getting a shot, prances around while being saddled or lead, or just spooks; then I can see this technique being used. If all else fails and this is the only way to prevent a horse from hurting itself or me or anyone else, then I'm glad this technique has been brought to my attention. Hopefully, I'll never have to use it on my horses, but it's there if I need it. Remember the saying, "Don't knock it til you've tried it." ??? At least don't knock it so hard. Geez. Okay, I've said my 2 cents worth now everyone carry on. I've enjoyed these posts very much. __________________ The Horse: Friendship without envy, Beauty without vanity, Nobility without conceit, A willing partner, yet no slave.

12-18-2005, 07:01 PM	#73
Endorphins4u2 Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 693 Images: 168	Hi Hi, I'm sorry we got off on the wrong foot, I thought you you throwing a dare at me.. ( I'm not ****, just cheeky at times ) Beware all I can be deadly fast with a comeback . Anyway, Just a few questions ? 1) What was the time period between her last ride and when your husband got on ? 2)How often was she being riden ? Also, horses are very good at noticing a difference between two peoples riding styles, if your husband's legs were even a fraction different to where your legs normally are, it is enough to set them off, if he squeazed harder with his legs than you, she would notice the difference and panic if she felt he was not her usual rider that she learnt to trust. Horse can have insecurites complexes too. The grain, I found some horse's can have like little nuclear reactors of energy in them and can explode anytime, even if they lived on only water. Some of my worst rides came from little scrawny horse's that I thought "Didn't have the goods" but when I got on ..it's like I'm sorry mommy I didn't mean it...* Getting her to walk,trot and canter is just taking it one step at a time, master one before moving on to the other. Then you will have to keep her going and ride her everyday if you can without days off or she go back the way she was.. Don't let your husband on her again, it's not worth him getting hurt again, it's just one of those cases where horse and rider or riding style weren't compatible at that stage.. You also may be a very capable rider but you must weigh up the risk of wanting to ride her and getting hurt, and if you have a bad hip I just wouldn't recommend it no matter how much you love her.. Given enough reason, a horse can go off no matter who rides them.. Getting her to run fast is up to her, they can only do what their bodies allow them. If they have had proper training, they are showing there best already.We feed all our horses the same and do the same training but every now and again one or two stick out from the others. Why are some faster than others, they just are.. Last, the endorphin tap can take the edge off any horse if you want it to.. It hasn't failed me once.. Last edited by Moostang; 12-18-2005 at 07:56 PM. Reason: don't bypass word filters

12-18-2005, 07:42 PM	#75
BuddyPalAmiga Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: patiently waiting for summer:) Posts: 1,512 Images: 241 Blog Entries: 3	I'd just like to say that I appreciate how you have ditched the *** attitude and I appreciate it Thank you. I for one am way more ready to listen now I did watch your vid and I have some mixed emotions, but that's ok. I am going to try the half tap on my old guy who hates shots and deworming with a passion. I don't have to twitch him, but he just a spaz and won't stand still. I've heard before that some horses can become addicted to the 'high'. Do you know if this is true or have you experienced this? Beth __________________ Matthew 28:6 - He is not here, for He is risen as He said.** Amiga, Sassy, Dolly, Missy, Lola, Velvet myspace.com/merritnbeth Last edited by Moostang; 12-18-2005 at 07:57 PM. Reason: don't bypass word filters

12-18-2005, 08:23 PM	#78
Endorphins4u2 Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 693 Images: 168	hi Hi Beth, I haven't heard of that, but have read many times windsucking releases endorphins and that's why they can't or won't stop.. Another thing about the Half or Full tap, it's not a power struggle to get their head to come around, If they turn their head a bit and stop just wait till they relax their neck muscles and they'll turn then. Take your time if you want, it's like a time release mechanism, they will still go sleepy taking your time. Your horse shouldn't spaz with this method, just wait til his head gets heavy and have them approach him slowly with the shot or whatever, If he lifts his head and looks awake, turn his head a bit more. It really work like a tap. The more you turn their head, the sleepier they get. Remember: Brain activity, the quieter the suroundings the better this works..clapping your hands is enough to snap them out of it.So just do what ever you want to do at a leisurely pace, don't rush..

12-18-2005, 08:51 PM	#80
Friesiangirl Senior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 9,454 Images: 175 Blog Entries: 22	I would not use it for breaking/starting BUT, what about those horses that are just so nervous at shows, and what about horses that just think that those clippers are gonna grow fangs and kill them? What about horses that are so afraid of girths that they will REAR UP unless they've been worked to the point of sweating hevely. Wouldn't it just be easier to distract them with toys or this meathod then have a horse thats rearing/bucking or f-r-e-a-k-i-n-g out at a show, or a horse that just broke the cross ties when you were saddling up, or a skittish horse from the auction that just won't stop spooking at your trailer? I'd rather have a "drugged" horse than a dangerous one. I haven't used this meathod for myself but, you know, this person isn't force feeding it down our throats, he's just trying to explain what works for him. __________________ I cannot be expected to think wihtout a good powerbar and some coffee. Stargate Fans Unite.

12-18-2005, 07:16 PM	#74
Endorphins4u2 Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 693 Images: 168	Hi, Yeh, that was my fault because I put it in the Training thread....sorry Also, there too far too many horses and not enough trainers, Last, To Mrgreensfriend, Riding quiet ones was a luxury you just lost, from tomorrow I will put someone else on him..Colin will also have new rides.. "You abuse it, you lose it"

12-18-2005, 08:28 PM	#79
Endorphins4u2 Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 693 Images: 168	They aren't druged up... If you don't like it, then don't do it.. ( Hello )