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01-03-2006, 08:57 AM
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Well let me summarize it for you. Our good buddy Pinkie,  has rediscovered an old method of calming a horse down that is not widely known. He is trying to get help in researching this method and believes the reaction he is getting from these horses is caused by endorphins being released causing the horses to become sleepy (like with some twitching methods) and with the proper technique the horse can be laid down. He posted it year in hopes that he could help others to calm their horses down and learn something new about their horse and maybe get some help with his research. | |
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01-03-2006, 07:57 PM
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| Senior Member+  | Dear Thomas, Welcome to my world, I was hoping you would join us in here. In here there is mystery, doubt, fact, opinions, believer’s, non-believers, fence sitter, silent nights, surprises and there is a chance you might learn something. Just to clear things up… “So you were a rough rider” Please don’t use that term, you will only stir the girls up more.... We call ourselves “Free-lance Work Riders” in Australia “I’ve never known one yet that hasn’t had a single day off for holiday or broken bones! for 13 years” (Mon-Sat) that’s 6 days a week, I had every Sunday off…No annual holidays because I never saved the money to enjoy the luxury. PLUS, my work day finished at 8:30am everyday. Why would I need an annual holiday anyway ? …….I had everyday from 8:30am onwards OFF.. I have never had a broken bone from riding that would had forced me to take time off. I have excellent reflexes, wit and technique plus a lot of the time there was nothing but pure luck. So maybe I was born LUCKY… “You clearly are unique in that regard as well as having so many horses to ride when you were just a casual and too heavy rough rider” I was in demand and reliable… “Now I don’t know a trainer in the world that lets heavy riders ride their horses on tracks and gallops and I presume from what you describe you are talking about flat racing which is even more critical. I’ve seen your photos and you look far from the 8stone 4lbs (115lbs) requirement for flat racing and not even near the 10 stone (140lbs) for jump racing. (and even allowing for extra on racing requirements)” “Heavy rider ??” How big do you think it is ?? I was 57kg .. Too heavy to ride race because apprentice Jockeys get a 3kg allowance which meant if the horse got a weight of 50.5kg for the race , I had to ride at 47.5kg and that was just asking too much from my body and I wasn’t pre-pared to take medication to lose weight.. I loved riding so “Free-lance” was my only option at the time.. “I note you left school at 14 to be an apprentice jockey. I hadn’t appreciated that the school leaving age was 14 in Australia” 14.9 months without employment. 14.6 months if employment was waiting. “You CANNOT be an apprentice jockey until you are 16 years. From this age you can enroll with an apprentice school or join a trainer” That’s right.. It doesn’t take long at all to get licensed to ride in races, 10 barrier trail will do it. Also help to have your Trainer ask the stewards for leniency because his apprentice was growing fast and would struggle with weight. I was 16 years old for 12 whole months, getting a license and realizing it wasn’t meant to be didn’t take me 6 months. This is not an un-realistic schedule if you knew our system. Please ring Australia and check this out before you speculate. “However if you left school that young it may explain some difficulties you might be now having: 12 horses ridden 6 days a week is 12 horses not 72! 6 horses ridden 6 days a week is 6 horses not 36! And if you ride them all year for 7 and 6 years it makes 18 horses not 50,000!!!” Please read my post again!! “I had 12 horses to work in 4 hours" There are not 4 hours in a week the last time I checked.. 12 horses( per day) x 6 days (per week) (Mon-Sat) x 52 ( weeks per year ) x 7 years 6 horses( per day) x 6 days (per week) (Mon-Sat) x 52 ( weeks per year ) x 13 years “past 60 my memory sometimes fails me” Next time please use a calculator.. And you are the only heavy unlicensed jockey (or rough rider) I know that was taking horses round race courses – which is definitely against jockey club rules Not in Australia…that’s why the English come over and ride casual track work, because anybody that can ride can get in.. unless of course you were rough riding and in unlicensed races. In which case as a trainer I don’t understand the logic at all of letting a heavyweight ride your horse round and then putting a proper jockey on to know the horse for the first time How many jockeys do you know ride slow work at 4:30am ? Somebody has to do it.. that’s racing….. Don’t know where you have been but I’ve been involved with national hunt and point to point horses all my life. When they are racing, not only are they interval trained which means taken out for 2 hours daily and including on the gallops but they have to hunt to qualify and be trained over jumps. A trot and one lap round a race course as you described would take about 8 minutes maximum and that would be considered a warm up only! This is probably why you find what I am telling you, hard to accept.. In Australia that’s how we do it.. Go out, trot around the middle anti-clockwise and work once clockwise around the track. Ask stockhorse.. My father trained. I’ve ridden as a jockey (as I always made the weight) and I have held a trainers license now for 35 years – and I don’t mean I was a self taught kid that was rough riding. I did more than you had done before I even got my license. As a jockey I’ve had: 3,417 starts; 893 wins; 625 seconds, 296 thirds. Mounts’ earnings: £368,448 and that is aside from my training record. What was that ?? I didn’t asked about your record, I was replying to your dis-belief of my riding experience... I do not have to prove myself , I know what I have done and that’s enough for me.. People know you are a bottomless pit of horse knowledge, you don’t have to attack people to prove yourself, this is childish and it stops here.. Post your opinion and let the OP decide who to PM for more info. Keep the posts clean or don’t post at all.. Yours truly, Paul Last edited by Endorphins4u2; 01-03-2006 at 10:11 PM. |
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01-03-2006, 08:12 PM
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| Senior Member+  Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: on my horse in Sydney, Australia
Posts: 909
   | ok to everyone who has a doubt and is knocking this awesome "tool" back because it sounds funny just try it! dont knock it till you've tried it i tried it and its the first time in 4 months i've been able to worm my horse without her injuring herself spinning around! and it took me just half a minute of holding her head at her shoulder and in went the paste and whammo! horse is safe from worms, horse is uninjured! its a valuable tool thats there is you need it. its not a quick fix, its not the answer to your training woes, but in a lot of situations you can prevent yourself/your horse from coming to harm by simply turning their head. to me, i'd rather turn my horses head than have her bolt/buck/rear/spin and cause damage to herself or even me! its a small thing to suck in your own pride and give the "tap" a go. |
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01-04-2006, 02:26 AM
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Well guys you can have this whole section to yourselves. I don't know about anyone else but I am just getting a little tired of what has been going one in this section ( Training). I am sure I am going to get slammed for this but I am disappointed in the continuous bickering and one-upmanship with who is better qualified ( and again NOT refering to the above poster but others). Some of the simplest and best advice has come from someone that just wants to help and I do not ask for their qualifications as song as the advice is sound. I never state my qualifications because most here know that I have given good advice and willing to back it up. I was appalled at the reference made about me regarding judging scores with the implication that I inadequately trained my horse. I am at the point that I don't even want to post here anymore.....................so go to it guys, I find that giving advice is a thankless job. Last edited by Dancinglite; 01-04-2006 at 03:23 AM. | |
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