All About the Tap

SweetSavannah · 12-26-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BornToRide

ok well your sill "drugging" your horse sure it is a natural chemical in the horses brain or w.e but think of this. our bodys have chemicals and such in them but if we were to add more of even the chemicals we have it can be hazardous. everyone horse and human are made to have there own chemicals in them and not made to have some device to add more into them so the person riding gets there own way!

but we're not adding more in. they're already in there!

do you think twitching is drugging then? cos its the exact same thing just the method is different and in my opinion quite cruel

BornToRide · 12-26-2005, 03:11 PM

ok was it not saying that when you turn the horses head the endorphines or what ever is realeasing to make the horse tired or sleepy to lay down ?

Endorphins4u2 · 12-26-2005, 03:41 PM

Tell him girls..

lucky_pine · 12-26-2005, 04:00 PM

Twitching is the exact same thing as this tap is. Trust me, it's probably more humane than twisting your horses lip is. I don't see a problem with it. I did it today and Scoots (my 2 year old gelding) actually very slowly and peacefully laid down. As he was laying down (as soon as his front legs started to bend) I let him go and he STILL laid down, without the endorphins. So it's not hurting a single thing. Ever gotten a piercing? Do you know why people are ADDICTED to piercings? The endorphin high. Trust me, I've experienced several of them and I have yet to die from it. I've probably experienced it to a greater effect than the horses do, as mine doesn't stop as soon as the needle goes through, it just keeps continuing. So if I can safely do it to myself, I can safely do it to my horse. Besides, this isn't a method to use all the time, it's for emergencies or when there's nothing else you can possibly do. When Ghost (my appy) gets his wolf teeth pulled, I'm pretty sure we are going to tap him a couple times. He hates being floated, and hopefully this will help him understand that we aren't there to hurt him.

Besides, as soon as Scoot laid down I started rubbing his head and down his legs, his belly, back, sides, everywhere I could touch. I ended up swinging a leg over him and I actually laid on top of him just to do it. He's been saddle broke for a while, and only lets me on him but I have yet to get on him bareback. I've been bucked off several horses because I tried riding them bareback, and I bet he'll try. Now that I've actually been on him while he's laying down (and most vulnerable) I bet he won't give me much thought when I climb on him bareback. He wasn't "Drugged" as I did this either. He was fully awake and aware of what was happening, because he NEIGHED to the neighbors horse.

BTW, I didn't have a halter or bridle on him at all, just used my hands to bring his head around and he pretty much held it there himself.

I honestly don't believe I "drugged" my horse.

lucky_pine · 12-26-2005, 04:03 PM

Yes, it makes them sleepy, but as soon as you let go they snap back to it and are fully aware of what is happening. I let go of Scoots before he laid down, so he knew what he was doing as he folded those legs.

lucky_pine · 12-26-2005, 04:04 PM

I'm pretty sure he felt way more confortable with me crawling around on top of him after this whole ordeal happened. He was so comfortable with me on him as he was laying there that I actually had to push on him to get him to stand back up, and he was very reluctant to do so.

BornToRide · 12-26-2005, 05:22 PM

k well ya know sorry but IMO people should actually train there horses and not have to use some sort of technique to make then sleepy. do you want your horses trust or a sleepy horse. its called TRAINING. i understand ya ok some horses arnt as like "calm" but why would you want to do this ?why not actually keep the trust with you horse and have a good time. sorry to say but i would rather have a horse i can get on and do what i want with then a horse that ya gotta turn its head and all that **** to force it to do something or to be "calm"

Endorphins4u2 · 12-26-2005, 07:46 PM

I have lot horses that trust me, but not enough to stand there while I inject them with a needle.......sleepy or twitch ?

For a pick of the board ??? I think I'll take sleepy on this one thanks l..

BornToRide · 12-26-2005, 07:54 PM

i hate twitches i am not saying i like them but there is a such thing as working with your horse !!! wortk with your horse get there trust !! and you DONT need to make them SLEEPY OR HAVE THE TWITCH

SweetSavannah · 12-27-2005, 02:54 PM

sure if you have a perfect relationship with your horse and work it for an hour every day, and own it from the day it was broken in to the day it dies. in perfect horsie-land everything works and we never run into trouble.

but the thing is it doesnt work like that. a lot of the time you get horses that have problems, not caused by you, but by their previous owners. or from a traumatic accident or injury. or from bad training and handling.

my friend has a 4yr old filly that she has had since it was born but its lived its life in a padock, except when she broke it in and then she put it out again. now this horse hurt its leg going through a fence and it wouldnt allow her to put the dressing/bandages on it cos it hadn't been handled.

now in a situation like that where you need to get something done NOW and you dont have the time to train your horse or anything like that you need something to calm them down. in the past you had two options, SEDATION, or the TWITCH. now you have one more, the ENDORPHIN TAP.

my friend had to make do with the twitch and struggle along every day changing that feral horses dressing. i bet it would have been a lot easier if she had known about the endorphin tap back then.

12-26-2005, 03:11 PM	#222
BornToRide Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,007 Images: 192	ok was it not saying that when you turn the horses head the endorphines or what ever is realeasing to make the horse tired or sleepy to lay down ? __________________ There are times when you can trust a horse, times when you can't and times when you have to. got to get the bagel with the cream cheeze oh the creamy creamy cheeze eh Blistering Winds? lmao

12-26-2005, 05:22 PM	#227
BornToRide Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,007 Images: 192	k well ya know sorry but IMO people should actually train there horses and not have to use some sort of technique to make then sleepy. do you want your horses trust or a sleepy horse. its called TRAINING. i understand ya ok some horses arnt as like "calm" but why would you want to do this ?why not actually keep the trust with you horse and have a good time. sorry to say but i would rather have a horse i can get on and do what i want with then a horse that ya gotta turn its head and all that **** to force it to do something or to be "calm" __________________ There are times when you can trust a horse, times when you can't and times when you have to. got to get the bagel with the cream cheeze oh the creamy creamy cheeze eh Blistering Winds? lmao

12-26-2005, 07:54 PM	#229
BornToRide Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 4,007 Images: 192	i hate twitches i am not saying i like them but there is a such thing as working with your horse !!! wortk with your horse get there trust !! and you DONT need to make them SLEEPY OR HAVE THE TWITCH __________________ There are times when you can trust a horse, times when you can't and times when you have to. got to get the bagel with the cream cheeze oh the creamy creamy cheeze eh Blistering Winds? lmao Last edited by BornToRide; 12-26-2005 at 08:41 PM.

12-27-2005, 02:54 PM	#230
SweetSavannah Senior Member+ Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: on my horse in Sydney, Australia Posts: 910	sure if you have a perfect relationship with your horse and work it for an hour every day, and own it from the day it was broken in to the day it dies. in perfect horsie-land everything works and we never run into trouble. but the thing is it doesnt work like that. a lot of the time you get horses that have problems, not caused by you, but by their previous owners. or from a traumatic accident or injury. or from bad training and handling. my friend has a 4yr old filly that she has had since it was born but its lived its life in a padock, except when she broke it in and then she put it out again. now this horse hurt its leg going through a fence and it wouldnt allow her to put the dressing/bandages on it cos it hadn't been handled. now in a situation like that where you need to get something done NOW and you dont have the time to train your horse or anything like that you need something to calm them down. in the past you had two options, SEDATION, or the TWITCH. now you have one more, the ENDORPHIN TAP. my friend had to make do with the twitch and struggle along every day changing that feral horses dressing. i bet it would have been a lot easier if she had known about the endorphin tap back then. __________________ "REAL* ladies do it SIDEWAYS!"* http://www.sidesaddleaustralia.com.au/

12-26-2005, 03:41 PM	#223
Endorphins4u2 Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 708 Images: 170	Tell him girls..

12-26-2005, 04:00 PM	#224
lucky_pine Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,628 Images: 639 Blog Entries: 14	Twitching is the exact same thing as this tap is. Trust me, it's probably more humane than twisting your horses lip is. I don't see a problem with it. I did it today and Scoots (my 2 year old gelding) actually very slowly and peacefully laid down. As he was laying down (as soon as his front legs started to bend) I let him go and he STILL laid down, without the endorphins. So it's not hurting a single thing. Ever gotten a piercing? Do you know why people are ADDICTED to piercings? The endorphin high. Trust me, I've experienced several of them and I have yet to die from it. I've probably experienced it to a greater effect than the horses do, as mine doesn't stop as soon as the needle goes through, it just keeps continuing. So if I can safely do it to myself, I can safely do it to my horse. Besides, this isn't a method to use all the time, it's for emergencies or when there's nothing else you can possibly do. When Ghost (my appy) gets his wolf teeth pulled, I'm pretty sure we are going to tap him a couple times. He hates being floated, and hopefully this will help him understand that we aren't there to hurt him. Besides, as soon as Scoot laid down I started rubbing his head and down his legs, his belly, back, sides, everywhere I could touch. I ended up swinging a leg over him and I actually laid on top of him just to do it. He's been saddle broke for a while, and only lets me on him but I have yet to get on him bareback. I've been bucked off several horses because I tried riding them bareback, and I bet he'll try. Now that I've actually been on him while he's laying down (and most vulnerable) I bet he won't give me much thought when I climb on him bareback. He wasn't "Drugged" as I did this either. He was fully awake and aware of what was happening, because he NEIGHED to the neighbors horse. BTW, I didn't have a halter or bridle on him at all, just used my hands to bring his head around and he pretty much held it there himself. I honestly don't believe I "drugged" my horse.

12-26-2005, 04:03 PM	#225
lucky_pine Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,628 Images: 639 Blog Entries: 14	Yes, it makes them sleepy, but as soon as you let go they snap back to it and are fully aware of what is happening. I let go of Scoots before he laid down, so he knew what he was doing as he folded those legs.

12-26-2005, 04:04 PM	#226
lucky_pine Senior Member+ Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,628 Images: 639 Blog Entries: 14	I'm pretty sure he felt way more confortable with me crawling around on top of him after this whole ordeal happened. He was so comfortable with me on him as he was laying there that I actually had to push on him to get him to stand back up, and he was very reluctant to do so.

12-26-2005, 07:46 PM	#228
Endorphins4u2 Senior Member+ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Japan Posts: 708 Images: 170	I have lot horses that trust me, but not enough to stand there while I inject them with a needle.......sleepy or twitch ? For a pick of the board ??? I think I'll take sleepy on this one thanks l..