[Friesiangirl]

Originally Posted by Moostang

Why not, it would be interesting if it worked. I am in not way using it for training, except maybe to train to lay down. I guess I just like learning about horse's magic buttons, you know just like when you pick up a rear leg horse have to pass-gas.. or when you brush their tail.. they love to "blow you a kiss" (pass-gas).

You know, I was thinking a bit ago.. Has anyone ever watched those old westerns on TV? You remember when cowboy was shot and the horse was supposed to fall.. what did he do.. pull the horses head around to the side. Even in the movies that showed calvary riders laying their horses down so they could use them as a shield.. how did they do it, they turned their horses head to the side. Now obviously these horses eventually took the head turn as a cue to lay down, but I wonder if this is part of the reason they use that as a cue, because a horse will lay down if you do that.
I think ED4U's horse probably does it so fast now because he takes it as a cue to lay down, but I imagine the first few times were not so fast.

Oh yeah, totaly, i've seen that

I was saying, you "t-i-r-e-d" not "t-r-i-e-d" LOL i was making fun of you

I tried it today on a very skittish little pony, he was about to fall over when we were told to feed the cows LOL I know it works, i can't wait to see my lil pony do it, do that, have her lay down, give treat, then she'll lay down on comand !!!! lol

[dakota's_sable]

Whew! I just got done catching up on all the new posts to this thread! Seems like some are still hooked on the idea of this being a training method. Why? I mean what happened to the open mindedness, the thinking past the end of our noses, thinking outside the box, etc?

When these threads first started, yes, I viewed it as a new way of training too. But as time has gone on and more has been talked about this, I've changed my way of thinking. The way I see it, it's a method to have in the back of your mind, in one of those "just in case" moments when all else has failed in an attempt to calm a nervous or panicky horse.

Don't take me wrong - I don't see this as a replacement to training a horse with time and patience, trust and respect. But if my horse desperately needed his feet trimmed and this was the only way I could get them to stand to have it done, then I would definitely try it.

Endorphins4u2, I hope you didn't leave. As you can see by the posts, more and more people are giving this a try to see if and how it works. So you are making progress (baby steps, but progress). As some have already said, I too think it would be good to post in Introductions and give us all a little bio/background info on yourself. Then we'll be able to understand a little better about what you are all about. And posting in other threads would be great too. There are tons of threads on here where people are asking for advice, and your contribution would be helpful.

As far as the girl who tried the Half Tap 4 times on her horse and the horse died 2 days later....... Well, I'll just wait til the verdict is in from a qualifed vet before judging.

[Friesiangirl]

Very good post!!!

i agree with you 100%

[Moostang]

Well I didn't get a chance to try it again tonight, maybe tomorrow when the arena is free.

[Friesiangirl]

Ahh yes, the always busy arena, i know how you feel moostang LOL monday roping, tuesday riding group, wedness day parade party, thursday free! YES LOL

[Toredano]

Quote:
You are paying him too much, because I left shcool at 14 and I can do it 15 mins
Perhaps a few more years of school would benefit you


Anyway.....Its not training per se.. its an aide , and its just that. Nothing more. I have done it about 5 times now and it does seem to work to a certain extend on my mare.She gets heavy eyed and she starts to weave a bit. I stopped there as I didnt want her to fall over. I have no other use for it yet as I dont know how she would react to other stuff going on with her while she is in that state of mind.
Take it as you will.. just be open minded.

BUT.....
If he was serious about this as to market it or it beeing a truly great method of a supplemented training aide, there should be more research and documentation forthcoming which I dont see happening.

[MyY0Y0]

Originally Posted by Endorphins4u2

Ok here we go,

There was this like this one time at Horsecamp,
Where people post stuff about horses,
And there were many very wise horse people there,
But some were like very negative and harsh to some people,
Then one day someone posted something that could help people,
And alot of people were reading this post and using their own experinece to decide if it was helpful or not,
But that wasn't good enought for a some ,
And even though he said "lets help each other" they bashed his theory anyway,
And because they couldn't debate like mature adults, the thread was closed,
Now a lot of people are sitting on the fence still undicided,
So they must contact him by mail where he is waiting,
This all started because at Horsecamp,
He posted that he rode a thoroughbred yearling,
And they said that was too young,

But they was this other time at Horsecamp,
I remeber seeing this movie, about a TRUE story about a racehorse named "Seabiscuit"
Who was broken-in as a yearling too, like every other thoroughbred racehorse running around the country,
Because the biggest money races are for two year olds,
And many owners have a dream they can win millions of dollars in a just few minutes,
But many people at Horsecamp, did not know this,
Plus, he has only 5 months to get unsold yearlings to run about 10.8sec for 200m, that's his job,
But they still thought riding a yearling that was 2 y.o next month was cruel,

Anyway, he said turning a horse's head would make it "sleepy",
And some people didn't know this, and now they do,
And it's their choice if the want to try this,
Because you are never to old to learn,
And even though they agreed turning a horse's head does make them "sleepy"
They didn't agree on why because it hasn't been researched enough to give a scientific answer,
But they could still use it now instead of waiting for the answers that are comming in the not too distant future,

There was also this one time on Earthcamp,
When tobacco companies were selling things that were bad for you,
And when the research was done and they found it was bad,
They kept it from the people anyway, and kept selling them,
Also, researchers think that radiation from mobile phones could be linked to conditions ranging from cancer to blood clots in the brain,
But phone companies are still selling too,

So, back to Horsecamp,
We see companies are selling products that are bad for you, before the research is done,
So is it such a crime to share something that could HELP people before research that IS in the pipeline, is done ?

So I ask the interested people at Horsecamp to give him a chance,
Because we could actually learn something new..

Anyone seen " Tonto " ?

Did I miss something...I don't see anything where endorphins4u is selling any product? Maybe I've had a blonde moment...

Like others have said, the horses broken for the track are long yearlings, they're almost two, not just a year old. Not alot of actual training goes into them like I would think about a pleasure horse, or another discipline.

Also, drinking, smoking, and other PROVEN health related problems, well people do them anyway. They know they shouldn't, but that's their choice. Horse training, well that's up to us as well. Sure the horse can resist someone on their back (when being saddle broken), but what is any trainer going to do if they fall? Get back on. IMO.

[PaintedPNH]

There was this one time at MY horsecamp...
this guy came and showed us this wierd endorphin thing
so I when I got home, I tried it on a two-year-old I plan on breaking
so it like worked and I'd do an "endorphin tap" on her everytime
I went to ride

So like this one time, I decided to take her to a show
and there were like all kinds of people there
and I didnt want to do it to her because it would look funny
with so many people watching me as I knock my horse out
So I managed to get the saddle and bridle on

Then I went over to the practice arena and went to mount
She spazed out and my foot got caught in the stirrup
She dragged me for quite a ways under stamping horse feet
I got knocked out on a fence post and another girl was thrown
I sure love my "Tap"!

[MyY0Y0]

Originally Posted by PaintedPNH

There was this one time at MY horsecamp...
this guy came and showed us this wierd endorphin thing
so I when I got home, I tried it on a two-year-old I plan on breaking
so it like worked and I'd do an "endorphin tap" on her everytime
I went to ride

So like this one time, I decided to take her to a show
and there were like all kinds of people there
and I didnt want to do it to her because it would look funny
with so many people watching me as I knock my horse out
So I managed to get the saddle and bridle on

Then I went over to the practice arena and went to mount
She spazed out and my foot got caught in the stirrup
She dragged me for quite a ways under stamping horse feet
I got knocked out on a fence post and another girl was thrown
I sure love my "Tap"!

OMG! I hope you're okay!

Okay, did I miss something? When endorphins4u2 was talking, when he/she said "pulling the head to the side", did she mean using the tap?

[BornToRide]

ok no offence but if your going to make another post all it is going to be is posted sorry to say and i hope i aint going to get banned for this but you can tell by alot of people they are actually getting really fired up with these threads! you can basically do anything with a horse if you have there trust NOT SOME DRUG! wow must make you feel in control eh ?? hmm i gotta drug my horse to ride!!! thats not right!! no horse deserves to be drugged and no horse should be drugged to ride unless it was an acutal drug that was maybe doing something to help them. this drug is doing nothing making them tired and making them so tired basically they give out and lay down!!! this is not right !!! horses should not have to go through being drugged to be able to work. IMO its pathetic!