[mftx4]

Well it sounds like you have orginizational skills.Tell some of us how to get started. Do you use vets that are willing to donate some time. Does your farrier help with any care for horses that need extra work. How many acers do you have to hold these horses? Over a 20 year period, you must have lost some. What did you do with them? How many have you kept until they died of natural causes? If you take them in, nurse them till they're well and ridable or usable, do you still keep them? Do you have friends in your area that are like minded? Do they also rescue? Do you send healthy ones, that are safe to use, to riding facilities for the handicapped? What about prison programs that will take in horses in need of training?
Can you show others how to do what you are doing. Have you talked with others that are in a posisition to help, but don't know how to get started? If you'd get rid of some of your anger and direct it toward positive goals, perhaps you could change some minds.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by mftx4

Well it sounds like you have orginizational skills.Tell some of us how to get started. The best way to get started is to have the passion and desire to do it first. I don't do it for money....I've gave away more horses than I've sold.Do you use vets that are willing to donate some time. I have one vet who is awesome with "fixing" the more serious problems that do or would require surgery. He gives me a pretty good discount on surgeries. Otherwise, I pay full price, just like everyone else does. Does your farrier help with any care for horses that need extra work. The farrier I use gives me a discount if he does them all at once, but otherwise it's full price for just a couple of head. Corrective trimming is also full price. How many acers do you have to hold these horses? 20 acres, and am trying to buy the connecting 32 acres at this time.Over a 20 year period, you must have lost some. Sure have. What did you do with them? Some of them were buried, some were rendered.How many have you kept until they died of natural causes? So far, in the past 20 years, I've lost 9 from old age, or serious injury, or colic. If you take them in, nurse them till they're well and ridable or usable, do you still keep them? Nope! If a horse is wanted by someone who will take care of it and provide for it and treat it right...keep it until it dies or has to be euthanised, or return it to me....they can have it!Do you have friends in your area that are like minded? Yes!Do they also rescue? Yes...just not on the same scale as I do.Do you send healthy ones, that are safe to use, to riding facilities for the handicapped? Never have....most of the ones I get are either unrideable due to age, or being unsound. What about prison programs that will take in horses in need of training? There's nothing like that close around here....tho I wish there were!
Can you show others how to do what you are doing. Have you talked with others that are in a posisition to help, but don't know how to get started? If you'd get rid of some of your anger and direct it toward positive goals, perhaps you could change some minds.

Your last comment isn't even worth a response! As far as positive goals....what are you referring to? YOUR goals, or mine? Because I think my goals are pretty positive for myself, and I've never had anyone say different.

EDT: My place isn't just a rescue....it's also a retirement farm.

[dacowgirl]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

What a contradiction. Just above, you're slamming rescues for rescuing, then you turn around and say you support rescue centers 100%???????????

No. Actually I was slamming rescue centers who CAN'T afford to properly run their center, and end up leaving the horses worst off. Just because you call yourself a 'Rescue Center' doesn't necessarily mean you are god's gift to the horse industry.

There are various rescue centers who aren't able to support the horses they have. Yes, they are trying to do well, but not everyone is able to take on that type of an operation.

I think this wouldn't turn into such an arguement if people read beyond what they want to see, and recognized what is truly present within the text.

[dacowgirl]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

Ummmm....let's see....I have been rescuing horses for nearly 20 years.....I currently have 20 head here now, that I take care of all by myself, and support, all by myself. Since I have NO significant other to help me. BTW, all 20 are fat, and healthy!!!

I have done 3 televised news interviews concerning the plight of horses to date. I was suppose to do one this spring, but that's been postponed until fall. I'm a FIRM believer in educating and keeping the public informed.

I have "held" confiscated animals that law enforcement officials took possession of for pending abuse/neglect court cases. I have testified on behalf of the condition of said animals.

I've probably "gave away" as much of my money to help others with their animals, as I spend on myself each month.

I have travelled fair distances to pick up animals in need. All at MY expense!

That's only a drop in the bucket. How am I doing so far?

Just because this what YOU personally have accomplished, doesn't mean that this is the case for everyone else.

Let's be real here. Just because you personally are able to finacially support, travel and pickup these horses does not mean everyone who has dreams of rescuing horses and helping them is going to do the same, not because they are cruel, or a bad person but because they realalisticly can't. It begins to come down to the question of: Do I put food on the table for my family, or save a horse? It may be a tough question, but in my opinion the answer is clear. That doesn't mean I don't love horses, and want them to live healthy happy lives, but there's a point when you may need to tell yourself 'NO'.

[Jenje!]

Originally Posted by dacowgirl

Just because this what YOU personally have accomplished, doesn't mean that this is the case for everyone else.

Let's be real here. Just because you personally are able to finacially support, travel and pickup these horses does not mean everyone who has dreams of rescuing horses and helping them is going to do the same.

I'm sorry, but I don't think that's what she was implying at all. Someone asked her directly what she has done in her area to help horses... the post you quoted was her answer.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by dacowgirl

Just because this what YOU personally have accomplished, doesn't mean that this is the case for everyone else.

Let's be real here. Just because you personally are able to finacially support, travel and pickup these horses does not mean everyone who has dreams of rescuing horses and helping them is going to do the same, not because they are cruel, or a bad person but because they realalisticly can't. It begins to come down to the question of: Do I put food on the table for my family, or save a horse? It may be a tough question, but in my opinion the answer is clear. That doesn't mean I don't love horses, and want them to live healthy happy lives, but there's a point when you may need to tell yourself 'NO'.

What are you getting at??? Just spit it out, and say it.

I didn't say everyone should be doing what I do. In fact, I've often stated that rescuing ISN'T for everyone. You often times have to look several horses in the face, only have room for one, and decide which one will get to live. I don't wish that on anyone!!! It's more heartbreaking than you can imagine.

Trust me....I've had to say "no" plenty of times. I DO have a limit on how many "permanent residents" I can keep here. The ones that are adoptable....there is no limit! Because I can generally find a good home for it fairly quickly.

I've never said anything about being "gods gift to horses". Where on earth did you get that one from???? I am only answering direct questions asked of me.

Some of the "permanent residents" I have here, came from HGS members!! Some HGS members have been here and seen what I do with their own eyes. Seen the condition of these animals. If I was at all exaggerating, I have no doubts their horses wouldn't be here!

I don't do this for money, or recognition, or for that matter a pat on the back. I do it for the horses!!! The ONLY reason I am known for this on HGS, or around my area is because I'm pretty successful with rehoming the ones that can be rehomed, and it gives a LOT of people another option BESIDES slaughter. I do it for the HORSES!!!

It matters not to me what YOU or anyone else thinks of me, or what I do. I don't do this for YOU or anyone else. I do it for the HORSES!

I can't save them all, all by myself, but I'll dang sure save the ones I can!! You can bet on that one.

[harp918]

Trying not to take this too much off topic. I agree we need to constantly explore options however, with that said.

Originally Posted by denraydar

And they call China a developing nation? Looks like they are more developed than the US. They are practicing an agressive popualtion control method through mandatory birth control and birthing limits of people. We cannot even agree to do this with animals here.

Tiananmen square.... extreme communism, they raise dogs and cats by the thousands for fur & food in horrific conditions, they constantly ignore basic human rights, practice torture, the list goes on and on and on with china. Please think of a better analogy than this to make your point....

[notanumber]

Originally Posted by harp918

Trying not to take this too much off topic. I agree we need to constantly explore options however, with that said.



Tiananmen square.... extreme communism, they raise dogs and cats by the thousands for fur & food in horrific conditions, they constantly ignore basic human rights, practice torture, the list goes on and on and on with china. Please think of a better analogy than this to make your point....

No kidding. I didn't think that the other post was even worth a reply, considering the barbaric methods of 'enforced contraception' they use. Disgusting.

[mftx4]

Spirit, I commend you for your efforts. You said yourself, you can't take in all that are offered to you, correct? I don't wish to get you upset again, but, what happens to the ones that you turn away?

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by mftx4

Spirit, I commend you for your efforts. You said yourself, you can't take in all that are offered to you, correct? I don't wish to get you upset again, but, what happens to the ones that you turn away?

"Spirit"? You mean "Stormy" don't you? LOL It's OK....I've been called much, much worse.

The ones I have to turn away....some of them, I've been able to find foster homes for, or gotton other rescues to take. Others, I don't know what happened to them. I can only hope and pray for their safety and well being.