[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Beeks

This is also a Homer "Doh" moment if I ever read one.





So in other words, we cannot come to an agreement on how much to spend or who should spend it, so let's just let the foreign guys do it themselves and then everything will be alright. That is until the smell and fly population becomes overwhelming, the local sewer systems back into homes with blood, and if I can believe one article (not this one) nail guns were used instead of captive bolt guns, I would imagine, all in the interest of saving money, since nobody is watching us. Good grief.

The violations that go on in other livestock slaughter plants cannot be compared to what went on in the horse slaughter plants, given the circumstances leading up to their closure. This was the biggest debacle of human brainstorming and financial expenditure I have ever heard of.

After reading this article, I think indeed, the plants should have been closed down.......temporarily, until the USDA could get back on board and the plants domestically owned and properly regulated.

That's the very thing that lead to them getting closed down. The USDA wasn't refusing to inspect anymore, the government was refusing to pay our inspectors to inspect something that no money was staying in this country anymore. The slaughter houses refused to pay OUR USDA inspectors to inspect.

That was a tongue twister. LMAO I hope you was able to follow what I was trying to say???

[Beeks]

Spinandslide-

It is in the very last

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/stor...G10BBjbEg.cspx

in the very last paragraph. Also a bit of a "Doh".

"Nail guns can be very painful to horses"

No kidding. Who woulda thunk it.

I actually think this might have been a bit of a stretch or she had no idea what a captive bolt gun does or looks like.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by spinandslide

Thanks!

But the violation has to do with wastewater, not the actual process of slaughtering the animals?

Quoted
Kaufman has cited Dallas Crown for nearly 30 wastewater violations, saying material from the slaughterhouse exceeded city standards and strained the city sewage plant's abilities.

Here you go. This is one of the best websites out there concerning horse slaughter when our plants were open, and after they were closed, regarding the foreign countries.

You wanna know all about the abuse? The neglect? The various violations? Grab your popcorn and soda too, because you have a LOT of researching and reading to do on this website!

ETA: OOPS! Forgot to add the link. LMAO Here it is....


http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/

[Stormyheart6160]

The biggest thing is, all of these plants were located and operated within the US boundaries, and just as subject to our laws as any other slaughter plant. Why they got away with so much, for so long before finally being shut down, is beyond me????

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by Beeks

Spinandslide-

It is in the very last

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/stor...G10BBjbEg.cspx

in the very last paragraph. Also a bit of a "Doh".

"Nail guns can be very painful to horses"

No kidding. Who woulda thunk it.

I actually think this might have been a bit of a stretch or she had no idea what a captive bolt gun does or looks like.

She must have watched Home Alone to determine nail guns can be painful..

Like I said, if in fact nail guns were being used versus captive bolts, yes, MAJOR violation..it just seems like a holy cluster between the goverment, the USDA and the slaughterhouses..reminds me of a thick wall of vines.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Beeks

Spinandslide-

It is in the very last

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/stor...G10BBjbEg.cspx

in the very last paragraph. Also a bit of a "Doh".

"Nail guns can be very painful to horses"

No kidding. Who woulda thunk it.

I actually think this might have been a bit of a stretch or she had no idea what a captive bolt gun does or looks like.

Yea...when I read that one, I went "huh", myself. I wish they would of took a picture of what they were referring to as a "nail gun".

[Beeks]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

That's the very thing that lead to them getting closed down. The USDA wasn't refusing to inspect anymore, the government was refusing to pay our inspectors to inspect something that no money was staying in this country anymore. The slaughter houses refused to pay OUR USDA inspectors to inspect.

That was a tongue twister. LMAO I hope you was able to follow what I was trying to say???

Nevermind...I read your post wrong Stormy. You had me really scared there for a minute because I thought you said the foreign plants paid our USDA department to go in and inspect. I about had a heart attack.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Beeks

Nevermind...I read your post wrong Stormy. You had me really scared there for a minute because I thought you said the foreign plants paid our USDA department to go in and inspect. I about had a heart attack.

Foreign owned companies who operate a slaughter house in this country, but do not provide their product to America, do pay our inspectors.....at least this is my understanding. Because the US can be sued or something to that effect, if any tainted meat leaves this country. I'm not real privy to how it all works, but yea.....those 3 horse slaughter plants were suppose to start paying our inspectors for inspecting their product, otherwise the meat cannot leave the country and be sold anywhere. They refused to do so.

I was afraid I'd confuse you with that post and the way I worded it. I messed it up pretty good, didn't I? Sorry! But, I'm glad you figured it out.

[Beeks]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

Foreign owned companies who operate a slaughter house in this country, but do not provide their product to America, do pay our inspectors.....at least this is my understanding. Because the US can be sued or something to that effect, if any tainted meat leaves this country. I'm not real privy to how it all works, but yea.....those 3 horse slaughter plants were suppose to start paying our inspectors for inspecting their product, otherwise the meat cannot leave the country and be sold anywhere. They refused to do so.

I was afraid I'd confuse you with that post and the way I worded it. I messed it up pretty good, didn't I? Sorry! But, I'm glad you figured it out.

OK...well then I am back to what I was going to say. That would make our Governmental Departments open to private hire by foreign countries. That just seems wrong anyway you look at it.

SUPREME COURT: Hey USDA, we need you to go to Iowa and inspect a couple of dairy farms that have been receiving complaints.

USDA: Sorry man, no can do. We have a couple of private gigs in Florida on some Cuban owned gator farms that pay better, but maybe we can pencil you in for next month.

A business operating in the U.S. whether the product is for the U.S. or not, should be regulated by the U.S. I do not understand why there is a gray area here. You can bet your sweet behind, if meat left those plants tainted and was consumed in Japan, it would become an international incident that we could not hide from by saying...."hey, we tried but they didn't want us to."

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

Here you go. This is one of the best websites out there concerning horse slaughter when our plants were open, and after they were closed, regarding the foreign countries.

You wanna know all about the abuse? The neglect? The various violations? Grab your popcorn and soda too, because you have a LOT of researching and reading to do on this website!

ETA: OOPS! Forgot to add the link. LMAO Here it is....


http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/

This has alot of information, but I will admit, it kind of turned me off the first thing I read on her site

The goal for many opposing the ban on slaughter is to make horse
the next red meat in the United States

I dont agree with this and find it kind of "scare tact-y"...horse will never replace beef..EVER..

I read through alot of the court documents..as with most trucking, there is alot of paperwork involved and I see alot of them got cited for lack of paperwork..pure laziness or sneakiness there.

I did read about the incidents regarding the transportation of crippled or blind horses..which again, I agree is wrong.

Im curious, all the photos on the website..were they taken before or after the USDA was denyed the money to do plant inspections??? I will have to go and see if I cant find the dates..

ah ha! 2005 is when it happened..