[Beeks]

Originally Posted by lbhugg

I thought it was more aimed at cattle and swine than horses but we were kinda trapped with it I wonder if it would work that if you have to report it only if you travel more than x-amount of miles again there would have to be alot of research that would have to be done before i could say for sure how i think about it

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/
Here you go....grab a bag of popcorn and a soda, cuz there is alot to read and you also must do a bit of "reading between the lines"

[Stormyheart6160]

Here's another article written on Cavel International......
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/archives/2007/03/120.shtml


I know these don't list the individual violations, but they do let everyone know the magnitude of the problems that existed and the plants unwillingness to correct them. Now I'm off to find info on Beltex.....BRB

[Beeks]

OK Stormy. Here is an interesting little read. Yes, there were more violations but I wonder if it had anything to do with this:

In 2005, the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate each approved funding limitation amendments barring USDA from using funds to conduct horse slaughter inspections.

Many of the violation leveled at the plants had to do with the water systems and not the inhumane treatment of the horses.

This article has some very good factual information that is neither pro nor con but does explain many things. As for me? I did not realize until reading this article, that the last three remaining U.S. plants were foreign owned. Thus, the money was not going into U.S. pockets anyway. It makes it much easier to shut down a multi-billion dollar industry, when the U.S. is not profiting from it, but spending precious money regulating it.

Oops....forgot to leave the link. My bad...here it is.
http://www.humanesociety.org/press_a...slaughter.html

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

Here's one article that doesn't site every individual violation of Dallas Crown....but it gives you the "jist" of what they were doing wrong...........

http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/dallasm...news083006.htm

Thanks!

But the violation has to do with wastewater, not the actual process of slaughtering the animals?

Quoted
Kaufman has cited Dallas Crown for nearly 30 wastewater violations, saying material from the slaughterhouse exceeded city standards and strained the city sewage plant's abilities.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Beeks

OK Stormy. Here is an interesting little read. Yes, there were more violations but I wonder if it had anything to do with this:


Many of the violation leveled at the plants had to do with the water systems and not the inhumane treatment of the horses.

This article has some very good factual information that is neither pro nor con but does explain many things. As for me? I did not realize until reading this article, that the last three remaining U.S. plants were foreign owned. Thus, the money was not going into U.S. pockets anyway. It makes it much easier to shut down a multi-billion dollar industry, when the U.S. is not profiting from it, but spending precious money regulating it.

Oops....forgot to leave the link. My bad...here it is.
http://www.humanesociety.org/press_a...slaughter.html

I'm sure it has a lot to do with it. And, yea.....none of the money stayed in the US. All 3 plants were foreign owned. The one they are trying to get someone to build in Minnesota, is also going to be foreign owned.

I found a great article on Beltex, but I have to download Adobe Reader to open it up and copy it to put it here. I had read it before, and should of kept it on my computer. Now, I have a different computer with dial up and it takes too long to download anything.

I'm gonna go bake in the sun and heat some more (about 15-20 minutes) and get some more of my yard mowed. I'll be back in a few and see if I can find something else about Beltex.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by spinandslide

Thanks!

But the violation has to do with wastewater, not the actual process of slaughtering the animals?

Quoted
Kaufman has cited Dallas Crown for nearly 30 wastewater violations, saying material from the slaughterhouse exceeded city standards and strained the city sewage plant's abilities.

Before I go...I want to say.............

If they are that unsanitary, would you want your meat coming from there?????

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by Beeks

http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/
Here you go....grab a bag of popcorn and a soda, cuz there is alot to read and you also must do a bit of "reading between the lines"

Thank you again, but again..

quote

The Humane Society of the United States has filed a 60-day notice of intent to sue the Cavel International horse slaughterhouse in DeKalb, Illinois. for repeatedly violating the federal Clean Water Act.

Has to do with wastewater, not the actual slaughter act or transportation?

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

Before I go...I want to say.............

If they are that unsanitary, would you want your meat coming from there?????

Thats not the point though. I wanted to see violations regarding the slaughter process and transportation...agree, if the violations happened, that is unsanitary..but it doesnt have to do with the actual care of the horse before and during the slaughter process?

[Beeks]

This is also a Homer "Doh" moment if I ever read one.

In response, USDA issued special new rules to circumvent Congress' decision to de-fund horse slaughter by having the slaughter plants to pay for inspections themselves.

So in other words, we cannot come to an agreement on how much to spend or who should spend it, so let's just let the foreign guys do it themselves and then everything will be alright. That is until the smell and fly population becomes overwhelming, the local sewer systems back into homes with blood, and if I can believe one article (not this one) nail guns were used instead of captive bolt guns, I would imagine, all in the interest of saving money, since nobody is watching us. Good grief.

The violations that go on in other livestock slaughter plants cannot be compared to what went on in the horse slaughter plants, given the circumstances leading up to their closure. This was the biggest debacle of human brainstorming and financial expenditure I have ever heard of.

After reading this article, I think indeed, the plants should have been closed down.......temporarily, until the USDA could get back on board and the plants domestically owned and properly regulated.

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by Beeks

This is also a Homer "Doh" moment if I ever read one.





So in other words, we cannot come to an agreement on how much to spend or who should spend it, so let's just let the foreign guys do it themselves and then everything will be alright. That is until the smell and fly population becomes overwhelming, the local sewer systems back into homes with blood, and if I can believe one article (not this one) nail guns were used instead of captive bolt guns, I would imagine, all in the interest of saving money, since nobody is watching us. Good grief.

The violations that go on in other livestock slaughter plants cannot be compared to what went on in the horse slaughter plants, given the circumstances leading up to their closure. This was the biggest debacle of human brainstorming and financial expenditure I have ever heard of.

After reading this article, I think indeed, the plants should have been closed down.......temporarily, until the USDA could get back on board and the plants domestically owned and properly regulated.

I wonder why the goverment cut funding to the USDA for horse slaughter inspections?

I read what you read and was like WOW..talk about no "higher power". Everyone in business is out to make the last dollar unfortunantly.

Where is the article regarding the nail guns? Id like to read this..as THAT in my mind would be a violation of the Humane Slaughter Act and YES, a reason to shut them down and as you said, get the USDA back on board.