[lbhugg]

Ya I would like to look at the whole thing I thought that is was a lot of B.S. you had to go through I think I am for the licencing I would like to see what some other people think. There is always a down side to anything but it is the lesser of the evils that I try and go with

[mftx4]

NAIS was originally intended for horses that traveled frequently across and out of the country,i.e., show horses and breeding horses. Some one then brought up the fact that equine diseases are spead in this manner. Well, the little guy like me, may travel from my back yard to a local park or to the next state to camp, thus spreading a disease from one place to another.
If they have their way about it, you'll have to report to them everytime you walk your horse across the road to graze in your own pasture. You'll have to report everytime to trailer your horse to your vet. If you read some of the rules they want to set, the only place your horse will be is in your back yard.
To me it all comes back to responsible ownership. I'm sure the biggest majority of us make sure our animals have vaccines and blood work done every year. If I know my horse is ill, why would I take it anywhere if it was something contagous. Sorry, I don't want a 'beeper' on my horse.

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

Nobody is pushing to stop the slaughter of cows, because cows are a regular food item in this country....horses are not. What they are pushing for is more oversight at the plants for slaughtering cattle.

There were 3 horse slaughter plants still up and running at the time of the ban. All 3, as I said were riddled with violations for years. If they can't make just 3 plants follow the rules and guidelines, then it's the best thing they ever did was to shut them down.

There are cattle slaughter facilities all over this country....a whole lot more than just 3. The last one that I heard about having a violation of any kind was the one with the downer cows in California. (The same one you just spoke of). It was common practice for the horse slaughter plants to be given violations....not so for all of the cattle slaughter plants.

Stormy, I have googled what you said and while have come up with interesting website, I cant find ANYTHING concrete regarding the "Riddled" violations you say the three plants had...In fact, Wikepedia's webpage was riddled with "citations needed" regarding alot of what was written..

I see lots of information regarding the laws passed regarding how the USDA inspects the plants for all slaughter animals.

The last one you heard about having a violation was the downer cow video because it made NATIONAL press..this goes back to my previous post about the way the media can manipulate the publics's perception of something..they dont report on it, so it doesnt happen? And if they do report, it happens all the time. That is the mindset of this county.

I think our slaughter industry is for the most part policed OK..our goverment has alot of power over this industry. I cannto wrap my mind around how the horse slaughter industry was so "corrupt" and yet other animals being slaughtered are still, save the few violations, OK?

Again, please cite your sources on the numerous violations, because I cannot find any concrete information on trusted websites.

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by mftx4

NAIS was originally intended for horses that traveled frequently across and out of the country,i.e., show horses and breeding horses. Some one then brought up the fact that equine diseases are spead in this manner. Well, the little guy like me, may travel from my back yard to a local park or to the next state to camp, thus spreading a disease from one place to another.
If they have their way about it, you'll have to report to them everytime you walk your horse across the road to graze in your own pasture. You'll have to report everytime to trailer your horse to your vet. If you read some of the rules they want to set, the only place your horse will be is in your back yard.
To me it all comes back to responsible ownership. I'm sure the biggest majority of us make sure our animals have vaccines and blood work done every year. If I know my horse is ill, why would I take it anywhere if it was something contagous. Sorry, I don't want a 'beeper' on my horse.

I think it was more after the scare of mad cow and how much trouble they had tracing back where it came from..and because horses are livestock, they to are put in with the other animals, regarding NAIS.

[Beeks]

Originally Posted by Stormyheart6160

I'm not real informed of it....I just know once you are in it, you will at all times have to notify them anytime you are taking your horses off your property for any reason!

They will have the right to seize your horses without just cause.

They will have the right to euthanise your horses if a disease is in the area that is within a certain range of your horses.

You will have to pay the government fees to keep your horses and maintain them, and to keep them in the program. Voluntary does not exist....it's all mandatory.

There are other things too, but I can't think of them at the moment.

I just did a little reading on their website. At this time, NAIS is voluntary but they are pushing for mandatory. Why anyone would voluntarily register with them is amusing.

According to their site, moving your horse from pasture to pasture, out for a trail ride, to a small local event, to the vet etc, is considered a "Low" probability of disease spread and at this time is not deemed reportable. Larger shows, Livestock Fairs etc, must be reported as the risk of infections from outlying animals is higher.

The fact that the government can come in and take my horse from me, because my neighbor down the road has a bad case of strangles, is insane. What is the up side (because you must pay to register) of NAIS?? There really isn't one.

I have no doubt that while it remains voluntary, the "lows" will remain as they are, but once they manage to get it mandatory, the "lows" will become reportable and we will all be forced to let "the man" know our every movement outside our own property, with our horses.

It was designed to track infectious diseases due to infected animals being imported into the U.S. I fail to see how it will help with that criteria.

[theloneappy]

Originally Posted by spinandslide

Stormy, I have googled what you said and while have come up with interesting website, I cant find ANYTHING concrete regarding the "Riddled" violations you say the three plants had...In fact, Wikepedia's webpage was riddled with "citations needed" regarding alot of what was written..

I see lots of information regarding the laws passed regarding how the USDA inspects the plants for all slaughter animals.

The last one you heard about having a violation was the downer cow video because it made NATIONAL press..this goes back to my previous post about the way the media can manipulate the publics's perception of something..they dont report on it, so it doesnt happen? And if they do report, it happens all the time. That is the mindset of this county.

I think our slaughter industry is for the most part policed OK..our goverment has alot of power over this industry. I cannto wrap my mind around how the horse slaughter industry was so "corrupt" and yet other animals being slaughtered are still, save the few violations, OK?

Again, please cite your sources on the numerous violations, because I cannot find any concrete information on trusted websites.

I am just quoting you because you put down what I wanted to say a lot better then I could of.

I would be interested in documentation of all the violations also.

[lbhugg]

I thought it was more aimed at cattle and swine than horses but we were kinda trapped with it I wonder if it would work that if you have to report it only if you travel more than x-amount of miles again there would have to be alot of research that would have to be done before i could say for sure how i think about it

[Stormyheart6160]

Hang tight. I have dial up and it's really slow, but I'll see what I can get and post it here for you on the violations of all 3 plants..........................

[lbhugg]

Does anyone know about any laws reguarding a licence for horses like they do with dogs do they have to be classified as a companion.

[Stormyheart6160]

Here's one article that doesn't site every individual violation of Dallas Crown....but it gives you the "jist" of what they were doing wrong...........

http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/dallasm...news083006.htm