[harp918]

Originally Posted by 2hot4u

yeah and alot of horse slaughter is abuse! They dont feed or give them water when they are on the truck, they beat them to get them on it if they wont get on by themselves..... I consider it abuse. i understand that all of you love horses,b but i dont agree with the fact that horse lovers support horse abuse/cruelty that is otherwise named horse slaughter

I would really implore you to investigate all aspects of animal slaughter, including slaughter of cattle, poultry, hogs, etc.

[Purpledomino]

Originally Posted by spinandslide

Please

There is abuse in all sections of livestock slaughter..is it the norm? heck no! Are there ramifications? Heck yeah!

Ill say it again..if as much effort and thought had gone into the REFORM of horse slaughter as went into the BANNING ofhorse slaughter, everything would have been alright.

But the bottom line is, folks did not WANT reform, no matter how much they protest they did now..they wanted all slaughter of horses stopped..without putting an inkling the amount of effort into reform.

What kind of "reform" are you referring to?

[2hot4u]

yeah well, no one would stop killing cows,chickens, pigs etc since they are usually a daily meal for 90% or more families every day in Canada and the USA. I think that since a majority of horse meat eaters(a majority not all of them!)are in Britain/london/england etc, they should only slaughter horses over there, then if someone over here wants horse meat, they can order it. i do not think we should be doing the slaughtering.(Canadians because the americans actually banned horse slaughter.. or so ive heard)

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by Purpledomino

What kind of "reform" are you referring to?

Reform in transportation and the houses..both of which I would support.

[theloneappy]

Same type of reform that they had to go through to handle Buffalo... Need special equipment and setups for them. We can do the same for horses. Not that hard.

[Rider23663]

My question is why this discussion is devolving down into a slaughter vs. anti-slaughter thread..... those can't possibley be the the only solutions, can they?

Again Stormy, I love your passion about anti-slaughter..... but you couldn't take all the horses currently abandoned in this country. One horse shelter in Florida has already turned away over 120 horses this month..... and that's just one month, and one shelter....

At the same time, there has to be a solution other than the chopping block...... and blaming breeders isn't a solution either. Blaming them is like watching 3 people fall into a hole, and then screaming out that there's a hole there..... the people that fell in know that now, but pointing and yelling doesn't make it go away.

We need to come up with a humane and balanced answer to the issue..... will it be easy..... probably not.
Will the answer involve some horses dying.... unfortunately, it probably will.... the question is whether it's death via starvation and neglect, or controlled, and hopefully, as humane as possible.

But, if we can work together, and use the energy that is normally spent fighting each other, maybe we can fill in the hole before it gets bigger.
I'd prefer that the fewest horses die because of our human errors.... they shouldn't have to pay for our mistakes.

The joint vet care is a good start because it is a positive start.... less expensive care is a benifit for all of us --- I feel that we can come up with a solution for this issue that does not involve wholescale slaughter if we can work together on the issue

John

[spinandslide]

Originally Posted by theloneappy

Same type of reform that they had to go through to handle Buffalo... Need special equipment and setups for them. We can do the same for horses. Not that hard.

Exactly!

[Super Step]

Th majority of Americans are not horse owners. It does seem most are horse lovers. Several polls of the average American say they are against horse slaughter, against putting down any feral horse.

If so many people feel this way and America is in truth "We the people", then why can't the horses get a government bail out?
Everyone else is.

[Beeks]

Originally Posted by Super Step

Th majority of Americans are not horse owners. It does seem most are horse lovers. Several polls of the average American say they are against horse slaughter, against putting down any feral horse.

If so many people feel this way and America is in truth "We the people", then why can't the horses get a government bail out?
Everyone else is.

I like your thinking, but the average horse loving but non horse owning American likes to back anti-slaughter, so they can feel good about themselves until it hits their pocketbooks.

Personally, the money we have wasted bailing out corporate numbskulls would have been much better spent on the rising horse population epidemic.

Perhaps if GMC looked into "one horse power", both problems could have been solved.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by Super Step

Th majority of Americans are not horse owners. It does seem most are horse lovers. Several polls of the average American say they are against horse slaughter, against putting down any feral horse.

If so many people feel this way and America is in truth "We the people", then why can't the horses get a government bail out?
Everyone else is.

The way things have been going, I wouldn't be a bit surprised IF the government provided some kind of "assistance" to horse owners in the future. It really is a crisis situation for horses....even I don't know how much longer some owners can hold out. But, everyone is sure trying their darndest to hang onto to their horse(s). Things do seem to be slowly ( and, I do mean SLOWLY) improving. Hopefully this situation will soon correct itself and the costs of owning a horse will go down, giving owners some much needed relief.