69 horses unfed for 6 mos - 30 are pregnant

probarrelracer · 06-26-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by IheartDuke

Wow...after reading the title and intro ....I am almost afraid to look further....good for you OP for gettin off your butt

and doing something about it.....all I have to say...is geld...abortion...geld...abortion....geld

oh my god!!!!!!! These are top quality foals!!!!!!!!!! These two guys own two of the GREAT barrel stallions!!!!!!!!!! This is why AC wants the registration papers. They do not see sick or abused animals. All they see is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

i luv my spirit · 06-26-2007, 12:59 PM

How Can People Do This Ti Innocent Horse???? Horrible People Litter This World Too!

probarrelracer · 06-26-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by i luv my spirit

How Can People Do This Ti Innocent Horse???? Horrible People Litter This World Too!

Haven't you been paying attention to this thread???

Read the whole thing!!!

BluEyedCowgurl · 06-26-2007, 09:05 PM

So, I just actually took the time to read the whole thread (well, skim it and get the jist of what is going on here.) It seems that we do have some extremely differing opinions, and kudos to everyone who is defending their positions with knowledge and research.
As for anyone who doesn't read the entire thread, and posts an opinion based soley on the OP's original posting- keep in mind that this is indeed a LONG thread, and many of us do not take the time to read the entire thread. I know I tend to avoid posting on long threads with many responses because I don't have the time to read every single opinion, and I'd rather take the time to make an informed decision before I start typing.
That said, I am interested to find out what the outcome of this all will be. Wish we had more pictures. I would love to see before and after the AC took over. It sounds like they did jump to conlusions based on a few horses. Sad, sad circumstances. In my opinion, misinformed people who know nothing about horses should not be taking it upon themselves to make such rash decisions. They should all be required to bring an equine expert in to assess the situation before taking action.

Our local AC takes in horses all the time, and I know for a FACT that not one person on the team has a clue about horses- other than that they give them hay when they look skinny. Frusterating....

OlympiaNative · 06-27-2007, 06:30 PM

I will say, if you find the pictures of when this FIRST happened. They showed a very skinny horse ( I cannot remember what it was) standing infront of a nice plank fence ( painted white) with nice green grass in the pasture behind it. They said this was one of the horses that were siezed. FIRST Of all, they have barbwire not planks... SECOND of all... Michigan in Feb, does NOT have green grass. This has been a gong show from the word go. and to a PP who said abort and geld... I don't think you have any IDEA of what horses they have thier hands on.. OBVIOUSLY the ac and rescue do know, since they are trying to get papers on all the horses.

OlympiaNative · 06-27-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by probarrelracer

oh my god!!!!!!! These are top quality foals!!!!!!!!!! These two guys own two of the GREAT barrel stallions!!!!!!!!!! This is why AC wants the registration papers. They do not see sick or abused animals. All they see is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets see.. TREASURED one of the all time highselling horses. Sky High Too Fame... Who is one of the few painted sons of Dash to fame.. Sugar Bar Honors, Buggey.. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lets also mention the mares who they spent THOUSANDS of dollars OUTBREEDING.. some of the top stallions in the country.. OHHH and then there are the mares that they have. TOP Calibur mares... mares who have done it on the track, who are mega money earners on barrels, who are producers of some of the top stallions in the country, who are full sisters to several of the number one horses in the country.. COMEON people. When will you see the bigger picture. They will NOT GELD TREASURED.. THEY WILL NOT GELD SKY HIGH TOO FAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dax · 06-27-2007, 07:28 PM

I just finished reading some of the articles on Mlive.com. Searched 'horses seized'. Very interesting reading.

Especially interesting to me is the amount of money that the county and rescue have put into providing care for these horses.

I don't see why they would lie about the condition of the animals. Maybe I'm naive but I also didn't read where the horse owners that have been charged have come up with $$$ for their care until this is settled.

probarrelracer · 06-27-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dax

I just finished reading some of the articles on Mlive.com. Searched 'horses seized'. Very interesting reading.

Especially interesting to me is the amount of money that the county and rescue have put into providing care for these horses.

I don't see why they would lie about the condition of the animals. Maybe I'm naive but I also didn't read where the horse owners that have been charged have come up with $$$ for their care until this is settled.

Why should they come up with money? Not only have their horses been wrongfully taken from them, but are being fed and taken care of in a manner that most would not approve of. The hay trailer and wormers for all of the horses that was purchased (BY THE OWNERS) before the seizure were sent back by AC. They did not allow it onto the farm. The vet appt (MADE BY THE HORSE OWNERS) for Elvis (paint colt that was euthanized), was cancelled by AC who waited long enough for the colt to lose a large amount of weight, and his condition to move beyond repair. There are before and after pics if you know where to look. Most of the horses have lost weight since being taken over by AC.

2horsestoride · 06-28-2007, 04:11 AM

Reading through this and trying to digest the "facts" and not be influenced by the emotion. Of all who have posted, in defense or against, how many have actually been there and seen with their own eyes?

I would be interested in hearing eye-witness accounts of what was seen at the time of siezure.

probarrelracer · 06-28-2007, 04:21 AM

I wasn't there, but have friends there who were, and have sent before and after pics. I know MANY people who have dealt with these guys, and were impressed with their horses. They have long since made a name for themselves as breeders of quality horses. and I have competed against many of them at top level shows and rodeos.

06-26-2007, 12:59 PM	#82
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06-26-2007, 09:05 PM	#84
BluEyedCowgurl Senior Member+ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MT Posts: 742 Images: 46	So, I just actually took the time to read the whole thread (well, skim it and get the jist of what is going on here.) It seems that we do have some extremely differing opinions, and kudos to everyone who is defending their positions with knowledge and research. As for anyone who doesn't read the entire thread, and posts an opinion based soley on the OP's original posting- keep in mind that this is indeed a LONG thread, and many of us do not take the time to read the entire thread. I know I tend to avoid posting on long threads with many responses because I don't have the time to read every single opinion, and I'd rather take the time to make an informed decision before I start typing. That said, I am interested to find out what the outcome of this all will be. Wish we had more pictures. I would love to see before and after the AC took over. It sounds like they did jump to conlusions based on a few horses. Sad, sad circumstances. In my opinion, misinformed people who know nothing about horses should not be taking it upon themselves to make such rash decisions. They should all be required to bring an equine expert in to assess the situation before taking action. Our local AC takes in horses all the time, and I know for a FACT that not one person on the team has a clue about horses- other than that they give them hay when they look skinny. Frusterating.... __________________ Everytime you ride, you're either teaching or un-teaching your horse.

06-27-2007, 07:28 PM	#87
Dax Doggie Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 291 Images: 6	I just finished reading some of the articles on Mlive.com. Searched 'horses seized'. Very interesting reading. Especially interesting to me is the amount of money that the county and rescue have put into providing care for these horses. I don't see why they would lie about the condition of the animals. Maybe I'm naive but I also didn't read where the horse owners that have been charged have come up with $$$ for their care until this is settled. __________________ Please don't litter - spay/neuter your pets.

06-28-2007, 04:21 AM	#90
probarrelracer Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,267 Images: 603	I wasn't there, but have friends there who were, and have sent before and after pics. I know MANY people who have dealt with these guys, and were impressed with their horses. They have long since made a name for themselves as breeders of quality horses. and I have competed against many of them at top level shows and rodeos. __________________ Help a friend to turn his frown upside down. Just rip his head off, and flip it over! He who says that you only have yourself to blame never learned to blame other people!

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06-27-2007, 06:30 PM	#85
OlympiaNative Full Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Deep n the heart of texas Posts: 82 Images: 12	I will say, if you find the pictures of when this FIRST happened. They showed a very skinny horse ( I cannot remember what it was) standing infront of a nice plank fence ( painted white) with nice green grass in the pasture behind it. They said this was one of the horses that were siezed. FIRST Of all, they have barbwire not planks... SECOND of all... Michigan in Feb, does NOT have green grass. This has been a gong show from the word go. and to a PP who said abort and geld... I don't think you have any IDEA of what horses they have thier hands on.. OBVIOUSLY the ac and rescue do know, since they are trying to get papers on all the horses.

06-28-2007, 04:11 AM	#89
2horsestoride Senior Member+ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York Posts: 754	Reading through this and trying to digest the "facts" and not be influenced by the emotion. Of all who have posted, in defense or against, how many have actually been there and seen with their own eyes? I would be interested in hearing eye-witness accounts of what was seen at the time of siezure.