[truthteller]

Originally Posted by xiphias21034

Evedently not everyone read the links that Top Dun posted....yes there are 2 sided to this story....thanks for posting those links Top Dun, and Truthteller....Cathy

Thank you for reading it and taking it into consideration! At least possibly looking at it objectively.

[cowgirljen88]

are there any video links?

[MyBabyTex]

Thank you for this additional information, truthteller. I hope the truth comes out soon, and the guilty parties, whoever they may be, can be properly punished.

[Andaletta]

isnt this an old thread?

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can i just say.. Dont believe everything you read in the newspaper of on the news. they stretch the truth far and wide.

[nicz2cu]

Originally Posted by OlympiaNative

I can post all the information you would like. I have been speaking with Jim and Matt for the past month. I listened to BOTH sides of the coin before I ran off and started pointing fingers. Trueth of it is, the AC is NOT doing thier job. The vet that the AC put on the stand at the trail claimed that the horses had the worst case of lice that she had ever seen. TRUETH IS this was the FIRST case of lice she had ever seen. TRUETH IS she had only handled 6 horse BEFORE she went to the ranch. TRUETH IS she doesn't know a drop in a hat about horses. YES, there are vets out there like this. There is a gal in our town who is a really good vet, but didn't know what cushings was in a horse ( her own horse) until I told her it looked to me like she had it.
You want trueth? I have pictures of Elvis, the day BEFORE the AC took over the ranch and 2 days before they decided to murder him because he had a "fractured" pelvis.
Now I will say, the grulla mare was in poor shape, and the barbed wire was a bad deal, however, I didn't see anything with any of the broodies that would have worried me. There is no news out there that mentioned Jim had just bought enough wormer to worm 200 horses 2 WEEKS before this happened. No one mentioned that 2 truck loads of hay were delivered the DAY the ac took over and were TURNED BACK. Hay that Jim had ordered several weeks before the AC were out there.

Lets also talk about this "rescue" group petitioning the AQHA, the APHA and the JC for the horses papers. WHY THE HOTDOG DOES A RESCUE GROUP NEED PAPERS... well lets see here. I guess because they know they have thier greedy little hands on some of the best bred horses in the country as well as some of the most famous stallions. Do you know who Treasured is? DO you really think that they would geld him and sell him to a "pet" home? honestly. How bout the high dollar futurity horses that are there, or the horses that just got back from the track. I have emailed and called SEVERAL rescue groups, who refuse to sell horses to be bred. They will not contribute to the problem of breeding.... THEY do not even see why this "Rescue" would want the papers. SHady is as shady does. 4 stallions with the top bloodlines in the world and a butt load of mares and babies with the top bloodlines in the world. Yea, I can see that writing on the wall.
Lets talk about the prosecution witnesses. One girl *who posts on this board* who CLAIMS she went regularly to the ranch. There was never any hay blah blah blah, then signed in a statement that SHE went out there and fed and water the horses one day.. HMMM I would like to know how this was done WHEN thier hay was kept in a locked shed and you had to get into the barn to get to the water. So not only did she tresspass, she broke into thier barns.. Yep. The AC has done a great job. OH and how about the neighbours to the ranch who are standing up for Jim and Matt


One last thing before I go, The horrible and terribly thin paint horse that the news broke the story with. Standing infront of a white wood fence. IT WAS NOT THIER HORSE.. This was not thier property and there is NOT green grass in Michigan in March.

I do have pics, I have links, I have phone numbers and I have contacts. I have researched. I am also worried for MY horses since people have begun to harrasse Jim and Matt supporters (ohhh.. feed has been gone through in locked private barns) horses that have never been turned out are mysteriously getting out through gates that have not been opened in years ( yet they stand open).... There's a writing on the wall that is far shadier then anyone cares to admit

OH and IF jim and matt lose thier horses ( and I PRAY they do not) This will set a presidence in all of America... In doing so, YOU will need to worry about your own horses...

Could you please post your pictures and links ? Perhaps with pictures used by the DA's office to make their case.

[nicz2cu]

I haven't been able to find any pictures proving / disproving this story. I do know that sometimes things such as this are blown out of proportion....... but on the other hand, sometimes people close to the ones in question can be blinded to the reality also.

I think the truth lies somewhere in between.

[OlympiaNative]

Okay.

The first pic is of Elvis, taken before.. yes BEFORE animal control took over. The second pic is of Elvis AFTER ... yes AFTER animal control took over. He is NOT dead in the second pic, but he is certainly suffereing. He had a fractured pelvis. I know MANY people who have gotten thier horses through a fractured pelvis.... The AC should NEVER have put him down.



Look at the first pic. Does Elvis look starved? Does he look like he hasn't eaten in 6 months. He looks like a healthy yearling to me. You can see the 25 YEAR OLD grulla mare in the first pic. She is thin yes, I won't say she is not. But she is 25.... and a hard keep and NO she was NOT bred.

ALSO even the vets who testified for the AC said about 90% of the horses graded out at a 4 on the grading scale.

Research before you people are quick to jump on someone.

[OlympiaNative]

I also wanted to add this little bit.

From Court the other day. In a nutshell Elana Rybak, a 4th year Equine Veterinary Medicine student testified that she has been to the farm at all times of the year and had never noted anything out of sorts. Matt always took excellent care of the horses. She testified that she was last there in January. She was there 3 times for at least 6 hours at a time. She saw most of the horses, and everyone was in good shape, had plenty of weight on them. The outside horses all had large round bales of hay. She helped feed the inside horses, approximately 10, and that included hay and grain. Everything looked good. The farm was a little more beat up in the pictures from March than what it was in January.

The Jackson County President of Farm Bureau and the Southern Michigan Representative of Farm Bureau showed up to support Matt and Jim. They feel that this is out of control and has negative implications for the livestock industry in general. (hmmm...ya think?)

OH and this is from a neighbour WHO is worried about the horses.

[nicz2cu]

Originally Posted by OlympiaNative

Okay.

The first pic is of Elvis, taken before.. yes BEFORE animal control took over. The second pic is of Elvis AFTER ... yes AFTER animal control took over. He is NOT dead in the second pic, but he is certainly suffereing. He had a fractured pelvis. I know MANY people who have gotten thier horses through a fractured pelvis.... The AC should NEVER have put him down.



Look at the first pic. Does Elvis look starved? Does he look like he hasn't eaten in 6 months. He looks like a healthy yearling to me. You can see the 25 YEAR OLD grulla mare in the first pic. She is thin yes, I won't say she is not. But she is 25.... and a hard keep and NO she was NOT bred.

ALSO even the vets who testified for the AC said about 90% of the horses graded out at a 4 on the grading scale.

Research before you people are quick to jump on someone.

First of all, I am researching.

Second, I was not jumping on anyone if you were directing that statement to me.

In the two pictures you have posted the yearling doesn't show any weight loss until you see the second picture and then you can see it.

I've had a 25 year old hard keeper that with proper care turned into a beautiful, healthy horse. Now that's the key word here. Healthy. The grullo mare possibly had a health condition causing her problems and that should have been ruled out by the owners.

I really would have to see many more pictures of the different horses to go by. And no, I'm not passing judgement. No one can until ALL the facts are provided.

[truthteller]

Originally Posted by nicz2cu

First of all, I am researching.

Second, I was not jumping on anyone if you were directing that statement to me.

In the two pictures you have posted the yearling doesn't show any weight loss until you see the second picture and then you can see it.

I've had a 25 year old hard keeper that with proper care turned into a beautiful, healthy horse. Now that's the key word here. Healthy. The grullo mare possibly had a health condition causing her problems and that should have been ruled out by the owners.

I really would have to see many more pictures of the different horses to go by. And no, I'm not passing judgement. No one can until ALL the facts are provided.

The grulla mare had sort of a health problem. Nothing that required vet care. She was on the road to recovery when AC took over. It was testified to that she was up, eating good quality alfalfa hay, had water and was alert and responsive when every vet was there.

She was being picked on in the herd and had lost 40 or so pounds. She was brought into the barn and seperated so she didn't lose any more weight. She had never been stalled and was extremely herd bound. As a result of this she stressed, gas colicked for a few days and lost ALL of her weight. She did not need a vet, as she was being treated with doses of banamine and probiotics. She picked her food for a week and paced back and forth in the stall. It really was the only option as it was winter, this further compounded her weight loss. It was 20 below zero with the wind chill for the week after she got sick.

Living in Georgia I would guess is a little easier on the old ladies than Michigan. 2 of the 3 skinny ones were 24 and 25. They were in the barn blanketed during the coldest and nastiest part of winter. They were also up eating good quality alfalfa hay, had water and were alert and responsive. All 3 of theses horses were seperated from the herd when AC went on the property.\

There are 2000 pictures that really can't be shared yet. They are the evidence. I will tell you because I have seen them myself, that there are a majority of pictures that show fat healthy horses eating from round bales of alfalfa. Pictures of filled water tanks, grain and hay in the barn etc...

I doubt anyone would purposely starve 3 out of 69 horses. I'm sure that wouldn't save anyone very much money!