[Top Dun]

So now that they animal control can't sell the dogs and cats to the research facilities, they've decided to "steal" horses and sell them instead to earn money?

Personally if it were me and I was in that situation, I'd make a copy of each set of papers, BURN the originals and let them work it out with APHA to get duplicates. That whole situation was a bunch of balony from the beginning. And If I were the owner I wouldn't help them out one bit for stealing my horses.

Originally Posted by HawaiianPaint

They're going to try and get the registration papers for them so they can sell them to the highest bidder...I mean "adopt them out at their real value".

Anyone else who's following this or wanting more info, the website has been updated and they're going to be posting transcripts from the first bout in court. They're supposed to be handing over the registration papers on the horses by this Friday...

[Blistering Winds]

Why should they have to hand over the papers?

I mean come on. They are to be "adopted" out. So why should ANYONE have the papers to these horses?

Papers are just papers. They have the living breathing creatures. Papers won't feed those horses.....

Horses seized here, the owners do not have to do SQUAT with the papers. I've been following some pampa horses recently seized that a few were registered.

[Top Dun]

Because the county lawyer argued that forture of property also ment forfeture of "title" and the "title" to the horses is the papers. That's how he reasoned it so the judge agreed. and they are not going to be adopted out but they will be SOLD! That's why they need the papers. All this form the same animal control people who had been recently banned from selling dogs and cats to research facilities.

Originally Posted by Blistering Winds

Why should they have to hand over the papers?

I mean come on. They are to be "adopted" out. So why should ANYONE have the papers to these horses?

Papers are just papers. They have the living breathing creatures. Papers won't feed those horses.....

Horses seized here, the owners do not have to do SQUAT with the papers. I've been following some pampa horses recently seized that a few were registered.

[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by Top Dun

Because the county lawyer argued that forture of property also ment forfeture of "title" and the "title" to the horses is the papers. That's how he reasoned it so the judge agreed. and they are not going to be adopted out but they will be SOLD! That's why they need the papers. All this form the same animal control people who had been recently banned from selling dogs and cats to research facilities.

that is rediculous.

What "TITLES" does someone have to hand over with non-papered horses???

[cowboysmom]

Is this over with and completed?

My opinion is that both sides of this issue are very biased in giving opinions throughout this thread. Until all the facts are in..a complete opinion cannot be given. Also, 90% of us are hearing the details from one side or the other -second hand. I personally try very hard to not make judgments unless I am sitting there hearing the information first hand.

[Top Dun]

So you don't believe the representative for the rescue organization when he told the new paper reporter he didn't see enough evidence for a confiscation of the horses?
Or the vet who testified in court (and reported by the newspapers) that the horses weren't neglected or abused?

I guess you don't believe any of the new paper reports at all?

Originally Posted by cowboysmom

My opinion is that both sides of this issue are very biased in giving opinions throughout this thread. Until all the facts are in..a complete opinion cannot be given. Also, 90% of us are hearing the details from one side or the other -second hand. I personally try very hard to not make judgments unless I am sitting there hearing the information first hand.

[Smoke N Lace]

I thought only an owner of record with AQHA and APHA could request a replacement certificate, but someone on here said if the court decides on ownership that AQHA and APHA will issue replacement certificates to the new owners. I suppose the assoc could furnish paperwork on all the horses owned by these guys and then try to match up horses with reg certs. if they won't turn over the papers.

[OlympiaNative]

Originally Posted by cowboysmom

Is this over with and completed?

My opinion is that both sides of this issue are very biased in giving opinions throughout this thread. Until all the facts are in..a complete opinion cannot be given. Also, 90% of us are hearing the details from one side or the other -second hand. I personally try very hard to not make judgments unless I am sitting there hearing the information first hand.

Try this site and see if this is alittle better first hand for you.

Thank you for visiting

[Blistering Winds]

I'm making judgements based on things such as what the AC wants and requests.

Here, they don't ask for papers. If the owner doesn't give the papers, oh well. They have the living breathing horse. If the owner turns the papers over, even better. Makes it easier for them to adopt out. If not, oh well.


I saw the pictures of the horses in question. I based most of my decision of the people involved in this case on the horses themselves.

Not what has been said, flung, accused, etc.

[cowboysmom]

Originally Posted by OlympiaNative

Try this site and see if this is alittle better first hand for you.

Thank you for visiting

My question would be-who set up this web site- an unbiased third party or someone that was for the defendants?

Again, I was not THERE--I will not make a judgement on issues that I did not witness first hand. Does it sound shady? Of course it does-- But listen to the other side and you get the feeling they feel they were justified in their actions. Who is telling a better story?

I am not taking sides, I'm saying, without first hand knowledge (and I mean standing right there -seeing and hearing all the events with my own eyes) I refuse to take one side or the other. People are jumping on the band wagons and making judgments without having ALL the information. Hearing things second hand does not justify that! Again--this is just MY opinion.

I do have question though--when AC groups "adopt out" animals, people pay for them correct? I had looked into adopting a while back and all of them would have cost me an adoption fee(some quite expensive)--so what is the difference of saying we have 69 horses to "adopt out" or we have 69 horses to "sell" ? Both are going to cost you--right!?