[mustangmari7]

I am assuming truthteller is not going to answer my question.
How long did these 2 wonderful horse owners leave Elvis with a fractured hip?

It's like askng a politician a question.

[truthteller]

Originally Posted by mustangmari7

I am assuming truthteller is not going to answer my question.
How long did these 2 wonderful horse owners leave Elvis with a fractured hip?

It's like askng a politician a question.

I've answered it... and by the tone in the post I'm assuming you don't care to hear the truth. You have made up your mind.

Have you been there? Do you know the owners?

[truthteller]

Originally Posted by mustangmari7

I am assuming truthteller is not going to answer my question.
How long did these 2 wonderful horse owners leave Elvis with a fractured hip?

It's like askng a politician a question.

I realized I may not have answered it fully.

Just to be clear: Mar 14 pic show him looking fine.

Mar 15 or 16th he was limping. He was added to appt already scheduled for wire cut. AC came out with county vet. Appt had to be cancelled due to time. Appt was re-scheduled for Mar 21. Colt was still limping, but not underweight nor severely lame.

Skip to pictures from Mar 29th where colt looks SEVERELY EMACIATED and is on ground almost at death's door. This was 9 days after seizure. AC did not allow him to go to the vet 2X.

So these "wonderful owners" as you put it had 2 appts scheduled. 1 was that day after he injured himself! I don't see that as neglectful.

[Stormyheart6160]

Originally Posted by truthteller

I realized I may not have answered it fully.

Just to be clear: Mar 14 pic show him looking fine.

Mar 15 or 16th he was limping. He was added to appt already scheduled for wire cut. AC came out with county vet. Appt had to be cancelled due to time. Appt was re-scheduled for Mar 21. Colt was still limping, but not underweight nor severely lame.

Skip to pictures from Mar 29th where colt looks SEVERELY EMACIATED and is on ground almost at death's door. This was 9 days after seizure. AC did not allow him to go to the vet 2X.

So these "wonderful owners" as you put it had 2 appts scheduled. 1 was that day after he injured himself! I don't see that as neglectful.

So, On Mar. 14th, the horse was seen as fit and in good health, and 15 days later on Mar. 29th the same horse was "severely emaciated"???? Now, I know horses can drop weight very quickly, but to become in a severely emaciated state in just 15 days......How is that possible???? I'm not saying that it necessarily isn't possible, but is it really probable? I've never seen a horse that was fit and trim,....didn't eat for 2 weeks, and be severely emaciated that fast. I don't know all the details, and specifics but something just doesn't add up with that.

[Blistering Winds]

May not be severely emaciated, but they can suck up and start dropping weight pretty darn fast when pain and not eating/drinking is involved.

I haven't seen the pics, as my computer isn't pulling them up.......

SOme people's version of "Severely emaciated" is like a 3-3.5. Not close to "Severely" yet. THen you got people who think a BCS of 5 (out of 9 I"m talking about) is severely emaciated.

So we must take "semantics" very carefully, because they tend to "over do it" out of emotions.....

Look to the pics, not to the description people give.....especially in weight issues.

[Blistering Winds]

Originally Posted by OlympiaNative

Okay.

The first pic is of Elvis, taken before.. yes BEFORE animal control took over. The second pic is of Elvis AFTER ... yes AFTER animal control took over. He is NOT dead in the second pic, but he is certainly suffereing. He had a fractured pelvis. I know MANY people who have gotten thier horses through a fractured pelvis.... The AC should NEVER have put him down.



Look at the first pic. Does Elvis look starved? Does he look like he hasn't eaten in 6 months. He looks like a healthy yearling to me. You can see the 25 YEAR OLD grulla mare in the first pic. She is thin yes, I won't say she is not. But she is 25.... and a hard keep and NO she was NOT bred.

ALSO even the vets who testified for the AC said about 90% of the horses graded out at a 4 on the grading scale.

Research before you people are quick to jump on someone.

AH, the pics are working now.

Pics are hard to tell, but the shoulder is 'covered" and not defined.

However, if the hip is broke, that would explain why the hind end looks 'BAD".

I can't count ribs on that horse either. So he's somewhat of a "healthy weight" probably...or close to it. Cause emaciated, let alone severely emaciated will show ribs and MUCH much more......

[truthteller]

Originally Posted by stormyheart6160

So, On Mar. 14th, the horse was seen as fit and in good health, and 15 days later on Mar. 29th the same horse was "severely emaciated"???? Now, I know horses can drop weight very quickly, but to become in a severely emaciated state in just 15 days......How is that possible???? I'm not saying that it necessarily isn't possible, but is it really probable? I've never seen a horse that was fit and trim,....didn't eat for 2 weeks, and be severely emaciated that fast. I don't know all the details, and specifics but something just doesn't add up with that.

His dramatic weight loss appears to be from severe pain suffered as a result of no veterinary care. In court a report was submitted where AC & Lelanau Horse Rescue witnessed him on 3/27/07 (property seized on 3/20/07) "on the ground and 17 horses trampling him".

This is one of the counts of FELONY TORTURE against the owners.

[Blistering Winds]

For those that asked how AC can cancel a vet appointment. Easy.

Once they take possession, you have NO CONTROL over the animal. You cannot get medical care, NOTHING. Your vet can't TOUCH that animal without AC's approval, because at that moment, AC is their Guardians and you are no different than your neighbor when dealing with your animals. You can watch from afar, file complaints, and get COURT permission to seek your vet with a seized animal, but time, money, and such becomes tricky.

We ALL Know how vets work. Not all vets are available at the moment of injury. And not all horses present immediately from an injury. Sometimes it is a day or two that you notice HEY, something aint' right....cause the day before, he was "Faking" it. Horses are very good at hiding pain and illness till it is no longer tolerable.


So by the time some owners notice a pastured horse is injured, it may have been several days from when the injury occurred.

If the horse wasn't hurt long, and AC seized before the vet was able to come....then the vet call is cancelled because the owners no longer legally "own" the horse at that moment. AC does temporarily.


Does that make sense on how the Vet call was cancelled?

[mustangmari7]

First, I am not a member of any horse rescue. I have a huge problem with horse rescues breeding horses and not gelding colts and studs.
I do know that Elvis was uethanized, humanely, not murdered, and that should have been done, in my opinion, long before AC stepped in. I will not get in a disagreement over this. there is no reason for me to, the courts will deal with the guilty parties.
If AC comes to my house and I have horses running loose , injured, and neglected, then I deserve what I get. If the owners were so attentive and took such great care of the horses why did they leave them in fencing that was rusted and broken. As I understand it this was not the first time these horses had been loose. Please don't take anything I say as the truth, read what is stated under oath, the entire statement, not what is selected and copied on to this website. The horse owners and witnesses are sworn to tell the truth in court, that is the only thing I will believe.
I suggest everyone who wants the truth read ALL the court transcripts. You are not going to get the entire truth from either side, on this or any other forum.
My only hope is the horses win, and I have a feeling that is not going to happen.

[Blistering Winds]

Do you have a link to the court transcripts??

So we can read it?

(and FYI, people DO lie under oath. So it is still, determining who REALLY is telling the truth and who is lying)