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Topic: Driving Advice- setting heads?
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MiniHorseGrl
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posted May 13, 2004 04:00 AM
now that i have harold rid of most of his problems, i need to start working on my mini again. last year, he used to rear a LOT in the cart, and we figured out it was the bit, and the way his harness fit him. we fixed that, so now i just need to work on the fine tuning. he has pretty nice gaits, and all i need to do, is work on backing, and setting his head. the backing i can do, but how do you set there heads in cart? and is it easier to do this with them harnessed but not hooked to the cart? any advice would b appreciated! ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ![[Pony]](graemlins/pony.gif)
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Posts: 381 | From: Lockport,NY | Registered: Apr 2004
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Cool Time 84
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posted May 13, 2004 07:08 AM
Well to set the head a bearing rein is needed, I would suggest trying it without the cart first, because he might not like it and may flip out. Do it gradual until you get the desired head set. ONE KNOTCH AT A TIME!!!!
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Posts: 1522 | From: Ohio | Registered: Nov 2003
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drafts
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posted May 13, 2004 07:18 AM
What is required for amini? A low set, or high? drafts are kept high, and I use an overcheck.
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Cool Time 84
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posted May 13, 2004 07:21 AM
Not too high, not too low, but then again it depends on the driving class.
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Cool Time-April 5,1984
Romper's Rock N Roll-May 31,1991
Squire's Last Sugar Babe-August 24,2002
El-C's Misdemeanor-May 15,1987
Yolla Bolly-May 1998
*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Delta,Twos,Shad,Ally,Striker,Smokey,Bud,Eclipse,Zippo,Gypsy,Chance,Rouge and Rosa We will miss you forever!
My dearest Jesse, We were together 11 years this winter, you were my special friend, I hated to see you go my dear, but I know it's best in the end. I will never forget you my faithful friend!
Jesse was laid to rest on: 03/18/04
***James C Reaggle III***
Born: Jan 21,1987
Died: March 24, 2004
Laid to Rest: March 27, 2004
R.I.P. RIGGS, I love and miss you, I will NEVER forget you. May you walk beside God in all his glory for all eternity! Love "Yes Ma'am Marine"
May all of you Rest In Peace!
Posts: 1522 | From: Ohio | Registered: Nov 2003
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MiniHorseGrl
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posted May 13, 2004 12:08 PM
at the minute, his headset looks something like that
and we want it to look more like that..and the thing is, when he runs in the corral, he sets his head like that!! its just when he gets hooked to a cart..lol
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Posts: 381 | From: Lockport,NY | Registered: Apr 2004
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Sandra-A1
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posted May 13, 2004 12:47 PM
"Bearing Rein"...? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Someone has been reading Black Beauty...LOL! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
The correct term is Over-check or Side-Check depending on which style is used... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
I would go with using a "Side-check" instead of an "Over-Check on your Mini."
Actually, I think it might work better if you go back to ground driving to work on getting the head where you want it with out having the cart to deal with too. That will allow you to work up closer to your Mini.
I will PM you a place to get some wonderful driving help and tips from people who do it all of the time!
[ May 13, 2004, 12:51 PM: Message edited by: Sandra-A1 ]
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MiniHorseGrl
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posted May 13, 2004 02:21 PM
yes, i got that PM, thank you!! he already has a side check, over checks are more for horsies with a dif head set..i cant remember exactly..lol, but yeah, i would do it ground drivin at first! hehehe(he ahs a habit of rearing in the cart when he gets frustrated ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) )
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Posts: 381 | From: Lockport,NY | Registered: Apr 2004
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drafts
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posted May 14, 2004 04:28 AM
If he rears, I would definitely stay away from an overcheck. Sandra is right, a side check may be to your best advantage.
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Cool Time 84
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posted May 14, 2004 07:22 AM
Sandra- Actually down here in my area we don't call 'em over/side checks, they're called a "Bearing Rein" I knew the word long before Black Beauty was ever presented to me. I hate the darned things myself, but I have used them on occassion.. only on the 1st or second knotch from the end.
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Cool Time-April 5,1984
Romper's Rock N Roll-May 31,1991
Squire's Last Sugar Babe-August 24,2002
El-C's Misdemeanor-May 15,1987
Yolla Bolly-May 1998
*~*~*~*~*~*~**~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Delta,Twos,Shad,Ally,Striker,Smokey,Bud,Eclipse,Zippo,Gypsy,Chance,Rouge and Rosa We will miss you forever!
My dearest Jesse, We were together 11 years this winter, you were my special friend, I hated to see you go my dear, but I know it's best in the end. I will never forget you my faithful friend!
Jesse was laid to rest on: 03/18/04
***James C Reaggle III***
Born: Jan 21,1987
Died: March 24, 2004
Laid to Rest: March 27, 2004
R.I.P. RIGGS, I love and miss you, I will NEVER forget you. May you walk beside God in all his glory for all eternity! Love "Yes Ma'am Marine"
May all of you Rest In Peace!
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Idrivetrotters
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posted May 14, 2004 12:17 PM
I have standardbreds for racing and I haven't heard the term "bearing rein" since Black Beauty. I use overchecks and tie downs, the side check is not used in racing, but a close resemblence is the 4 ring. Overchecks are not bad and for harness horses yes they can be over used, but the vast majority it really helps them with balance.
With minis I've seen them in over checks, and the side and a few "natural" (or a happy bridle as we call them in racing) The minis used for racing and kiddie rides at our track don't use checks at all. My friend who shows minis does them with the side checks.
Now, to help set the head is depending upon how well you get him on the bit and engaging his hind quarters. Get him in a more collected frame and on the bit will shift his weight to the rear and get him reaching under himself to engage his hindquarters and get that nice frame you are looking for.
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MiniHorseGrl
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posted May 14, 2004 06:20 PM
*blank look* lol, ermm..can u reword that for me? lol, im not very good at horsey driving terms...lol
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Posts: 381 | From: Lockport,NY | Registered: Apr 2004
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Cathie
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posted May 14, 2004 06:55 PM
Can you guys email some sites for training to drive. I'm starting to teach my son's gelding to drive (he pulls tires right now) and then my daughters pony. He just ground drives at this point. I can't find any place to help learn how to. Thanks
Cathie
(pny_pwr@bellsouth.net)
Posts: 43 | From: Lynn Haven Fla | Registered: Jun 2003
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Sandra-A1
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posted May 14, 2004 08:13 PM
There are several great books available as well as videos that you can use to help you:
This link will get you started:
Driving Essentials
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Idrivetrotters
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posted May 15, 2004 08:52 PM
LOL Sorry, I thought you knew your terms Oh okay no problem, just the bulk of it is, get the horse on the bit and in a collected frame like a dressage horse, in a collected frame the horse will shift his weight to his rear end and this will cause him to reach under himself with his hind legs and use his rearend for propulsion. If you look at the picture of the minis the first one his nose is poked out and he is just plopping along, while the pic of the second horse has his head on verticle and having incredible extension with his front end and very nice propulsion with his rearend.
[ May 15, 2004, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: Idrivetrotters ]
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MiniHorseGrl
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posted May 16, 2004 02:08 PM
okie doke, i think i understand..ill prolly drive him after school tomorrow, if our ring is safe for driving...lol, would a standing martingale help? hes our only mini who doesnt have it, and my grandmother said it'll keep his head in, and force him to use his rear end, but i dont want to hurt him, or strain him at all
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Posts: 381 | From: Lockport,NY | Registered: Apr 2004
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Sandra-A1
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posted May 16, 2004 02:43 PM
My training and show harness has a running Martingale on them. I would use a running Martingale if it was me. I do not care for Standing ones and have seen horses still rear while wearing one. If I ever happen to lose control to the point the horse is going to rear and does, I want that horse to have full movement of it's head and neck! I don't want it falling over and I need that unrestricted movement to help me regain control!
I would ground drive and do a lot of trot-walk-stop transitions as well as work on the different trots. I would also do a turn into the fence or wall occasionally and once I thought the horse could handle the turn into the fence I would do a few changes of directions into the fence at a trot (roll-backs) that helps to get them under themselves too.
It is important not to let the horse get heavy in the bridle and start lugging or pulling on the bit. If you feel any pulling via the bit then you need to slow back down and work on getting the horse light again.
I just find transitions and changes of direction into the rail work best for me when getting a horse under themselves and using their hindquarters.
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