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Topic: Training Devices
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gallop3337
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posted May 10, 2004 07:28 AM
Hey all, I was just wondering about different training devices used for headset. As of right now I only completely understand 2 of them, the fork and the tie-down. I was wondering if someone could post pictures or just describe what some others are and their purpose and how they are attached. I would like to know more about the standing martingale, the running martingaile (and the difference between the 2) Side reins, Draw reins, and any others that you can think of. What are the advantages and disadvantages to using them? Is it just a quicker way to train your horse, because I believe headset can be taught without them, it just takes more time maybe? Any input is welcome! Thanks ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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MissBandit
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posted May 10, 2004 10:06 PM
Basically all those training devices are used in hopes of attaining one thing - correct head carriage.
Draw Reins:
Draw reins have a pulley-like effect, and it is possible to exert a huge amount of resistant pressure when using them. Should only be used by the most experienced horseman with a soft hand.
Side Reins:
Side reins are connected to the saddle or lunging surcingle. (keepers are used to make sure the side reins do not move up and down the saddle straps when saddles are used.) Side reins are usefull when working a horse on the longe line in order for him to engage his hindend. Side reins should always be loose at first. Little by little, as the horse becomes accustomed to the sensation, you may shorten them to bring the horse on the verticle. The reins should have elastic properties so there is some give to them. Side reins should only be attempted by an experienced horseman. Best bet is to have a trainer first work with your horse in this device as many horses can feel trapped and pull themselves over in a panic.
Standing Martingale:
The standing version is attached to the back of the noseband and down to the girth (sometimes through a breastplate). This version has the horse pulling on himself, with pressure felt on the bridge of the nose and the poll. It is anticipated that the horse will learn to reward himself by carrying his head in a lower frame. However, if you find yourself with a horse that just does not grasp the mechanics of it, a lot more damage can be done.
NEVER jump a horse in this style of martingale.
Running Martingale:
This running version is attached to the girth and the reins pass through rings, allowing for a pulley like effect which causes the bit to act more heavily on the bars of the mouth. This martingale is controlled fully by the rider and may or may not be engaged by choice. This style of martingale is safe for jumping.
Chambon:
This device is not seen as often as the martingale. (For good reason)It works on a pulley system, with the device being attached to the girth, running up to a poll strap and then attaching to the bit. It also follows along with the theory that the horse will reward himself with a low headset b/c the action of this device is put wholly on the actions of the horse. A raised headset will cause exert extreme pressure on the poll as well as engaging the bit.
Again, if you find yourself with a horse that does not grasp the theory, then you potentially have a very serious problem. (Ie, rearing and flipping over) I wouldn't touch this 'training' device with a ten foot pole.
Hope this is what you wanted.
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gallop3337
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posted May 11, 2004 06:34 AM
PERFECT! Thanks so much! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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littlecelticpony
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posted May 11, 2004 07:42 AM
hmm....about a standing, i've always been taught that it was for head flippers - to save your nose in other words; as it is really not a tool for maintaining or creating a "headset".
and how does a rider control a running? the horse activates it by raising its head to a certain level, at which the pressure is applied. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
also, a Chambon is only for lunging purposes. a De Gogue can be used while riding the horse.
[ May 11, 2004, 07:44 AM: Message edited by: littlecelticpony ]
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MissBandit
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posted May 11, 2004 09:12 AM
Exactly, a standind martingale prevents a horse from putting his head up in the air. Not exactly a perfect headset.
As for the running martingale, it depends on where you hold your reins. Have you ever used a running martingale? It has a lot more give to it, it doesn't just "bang" stop like a standing does, which is why it can be used for jumping.
I put the chambon up for educational purposes. Side reins are also only used for lunging, just thought I'd put in something new for her to learn about.
[ May 11, 2004, 09:13 AM: Message edited by: MissBandit ]
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littlecelticpony
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posted May 11, 2004 12:33 PM
i see. i just interpreted this statment
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It is anticipated that the horse will learn to reward himself by carrying his head in a lower frame. However, if you find yourself with a horse that just does not grasp the mechanics of it, a lot more damage can be done.
as meaning that it was used to get the horse to lower his head and travel in a certain frame. sorry
yes, i've used a running before. i agree it has more give, but it still really comes into play when the horse raises its head to an unacceptable level. i think i can see how a rider could activate it, however, i've never done that.
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hOrSeCrAzEeE120
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posted May 12, 2004 03:04 PM
i use the standing martingale only wehn i really need it for Rules (for jumping). The pulley thing I WOULD NOT SUGGEST USING!! she used it on her 10 yr old QH and he reared up and flipped over.. because of the headset. I dont like it too much.
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littlecelticpony
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posted May 12, 2004 03:23 PM
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i use the standing martingale only wehn i really need it for Rules (for jumping).
how high are you jumping?? is he a head flipper?
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bay_blnd jmpr07
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posted May 12, 2004 05:15 PM
he might be a "snapper" as my barn calls them. when they land they "snap" their head up right away. i had a bad snapping problem when i was riding. i was so used to riding "snappers" that no matter what horse i was on i would snap right up after the fence.
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