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Author Topic: Welshes HalterGirl_88 Member Member # 753 posted December 02, 2003 12:28 PM         OK-need some welsh pony knowledge, I'm looking at getting my niece one for a christmas/b-day present and have narrowed it down to the following 3. Let me know your opinions cause I know nothing about them! Thanks! -------------------- Is it the smell of their body as I hug their long neck, or the scent only a horse has that I can't forget? Is it the depth of their eyes as they contentedly rest? No, it's just being around them that I like the best.--Teresa Becker http://community.webshots.com/user/haltergirl_88 Posts: 606 | From: IA | Registered: Sep 2003 Dawn Member Member # 14 posted December 02, 2003 12:30 PM         Do you have any conformation pics of them? -------------------- Heard in the midst of a handwriting exam ~ "And to think, we could've been bio-chem majors." Posts: 6885 | From: Tennessee | Registered: Nov 2002 HalterGirl_88 Member Member # 753 posted December 02, 2003 12:33 PM         nope this were the only pics I got sent of them, I can try and get others, but don't know how quick I can get them. -------------------- Is it the smell of their body as I hug their long neck, or the scent only a horse has that I can't forget? Is it the depth of their eyes as they contentedly rest? No, it's just being around them that I like the best.--Teresa Becker http://community.webshots.com/user/haltergirl_88 Posts: 606 | From: IA | Registered: Sep 2003 Dawn Member Member # 14 posted December 02, 2003 12:43 PM         Are you going to be able to see these ponies in person? -------------------- Heard in the midst of a handwriting exam ~ "And to think, we could've been bio-chem majors." Posts: 6885 | From: Tennessee | Registered: Nov 2002 CANDYGIRL Member Member # 719 posted December 02, 2003 12:58 PM         HalterGirl I am a member of Welsh Pony and Cob Society, so what would you realy like to know? From the photos' the first grey looks like a part bred, that's not bad, the second 2 look like section B's 13.2hh and under, I like the second grey on the jumping photo, and the chestnut pony looks nice too, but do you have any more details on them, are they part or pure bred, what is their affix(if they are registered), part bred will be registered as part bred, whether the sire or dam are welsh. They can all jump on photos' but that doesn't mean everything. Got any more info, realy interested. Like Dawn said have you got any photos' of them untacked, or have you seen them? REALLY INTERESTED. Jane -------------------- NO FOOT NO HORSE Proud owner of Hollybush Picollo Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003 Lou3 Member Member # 926 posted December 02, 2003 01:12 PM         What would your neice do with the pony? if she wants to do ponyclub type activities (jumping, riding tests,games etc) then i would go with the top pony. This pony is a section B type and has a little bit more agility and scope than the other two which are section A types. Section B's are a little finer built and slightly more suited for all-round work than the stockier section As. If the choice for this came down to the bottom two ponies i would avoid the chestnut as he doesnt seem to have good clearance over the jumps suggesting a lazy jumper liableto having poles off. If its a first pony you want then go with the middle one as this looks to have a snaffle bit whereas the top pony looks like it has a kimblewick (although it could be a D-ring snaffle i can tell very well from the picture) If the pony is for showing i cant help because these arent good pics for assessing conformation from and im no expert on welshies - CANDYGIRL is the person you want for that one. Obviously i cant tell anything about temperament from the pics so make sure you see the ponies before you make a decision so you can make sure they have no quirks. Lou -------------------- gypsey gold doesnt gleam or clink, but stomps its feet and nickers in the night. Posts: 1551 | From: UK | Registered: Oct 2003 HalterGirl_88 Member Member # 753 posted December 02, 2003 02:50 PM         The first pic is of a mare named The Silver Slipper, she's 6 13.2HH she's a Welsh-TB cross that's shown in Childrens Hunter. The second is a mare named Looked Twice, she's reg with the Welsh Cob Society is 12 and 13.2HH she's won pony show championships. The third is a gelding named Beyond the Rainbeau, he's 8, 13.1 HH a Welsh-TB cross, qualified for Pony Finals multiple times, and a year end winner. I'm planning on visiting the ponies, but I wanted some opinions from people who knew ponies before I went to PA, Virginia, and Illinois to see them, especially since I'll be plunking down a heafty chunk of change! It will be my nieces first pony she's owned, but had experience with others, I've sent her for the summer the past couple of years to a friend of mine who's a big jumper trainer so she's gotten lots of good experience. Plus she will continue with a trainer here in IA once she gets one of her own. Thanks for the input so far! -------------------- Is it the smell of their body as I hug their long neck, or the scent only a horse has that I can't forget? Is it the depth of their eyes as they contentedly rest? No, it's just being around them that I like the best.--Teresa Becker http://community.webshots.com/user/haltergirl_88 Posts: 606 | From: IA | Registered: Sep 2003 CANDYGIRL Member Member # 719 posted December 02, 2003 03:25 PM         I've printed what you have put off, and am going to check in my Journal see if I can find any back ground on the second pony seing it's registered with WPCS, it does look full Section B, which they are tending to breed much finer nowadays, but a B should be of the same type as an A, but hight upto 13.2hh, or could be a C, Breed standard, 13.2hh and under Cob of Pony type. If you can Can you ring the owners of the Part breds and ask for their sire and dams, I will know by their registered names which bit is of Welsh breeding, that's if they are registered and would imagine the 1st and 3rd are with their achievements, that is registered as part breds. Just give me a bit of time, it's 23.15pm here. Incase I can't find anything tonight, or you can't get back to me, seeing this is her first pony, and even though she has some experience, don't just rely on the owner riding the pony, hop on yourself, or take a capable child with you. I notice that the first and the second have some kind of standing martingale on, but it's not that clear on the photo, you might want to ask if they are a bit strong, it might be common practice to jump in that kind of martingale over in US, the third I can't tell at all what it is being ridden in, can't even see the reins. You are obviously going to be handing some hefty dosh($) over, you will be getting which ever one you choose vetted I hope? Have the current owners outgrown or gone as far as they can on these ponies? Get Back to you. Jane -------------------- NO FOOT NO HORSE Proud owner of Hollybush Picollo Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003 Lou3 Member Member # 926 posted December 02, 2003 03:34 PM         my goodness welshies have changed since i was involved with section As and Bs. The top pony is the spit of a champion show mare section B i used to own (dunno breeding or anything) The bottom two are WAY stockier than the section Bs that were about when i was (very breifly) involved in the native showing world. Candygirl is this a recent trend to breed the B's with more bone again more like the section As and away from the riding pony type they were fast becoming a number of years ago? (or have i just gone totally mad, like off this planet mad and looked at these pics through some distort-y specs?) -------------------- gypsey gold doesnt gleam or clink, but stomps its feet and nickers in the night. Posts: 1551 | From: UK | Registered: Oct 2003 HalterGirl_88 Member Member # 753 posted December 02, 2003 03:35 PM         The ponies have all been outgrown by their owners and the kids have moved on to bigger and better things. I am planning on taking my niece with me to look at the ponies to be sure that she can actually handle them herself and likes them. Also planning on having a full vet exam with x-rays done especially since they're jumpers. Not takin any chances when I'm lookin to plunk down 20-25 G's! The second pony is out of Glencoe Gomby and Brook's Blanche The third is out of a TB mare and Cymraeg Rainbeau The owners of the first haven't gotten back to me yet -------------------- Is it the smell of their body as I hug their long neck, or the scent only a horse has that I can't forget? Is it the depth of their eyes as they contentedly rest? No, it's just being around them that I like the best.--Teresa Becker http://community.webshots.com/user/haltergirl_88 Posts: 606 | From: IA | Registered: Sep 2003 hOrSeCrAzEeE120 Member Member # 771 posted December 02, 2003 03:49 PM         I think i've seen the third pony around, looks filimar so does the first. They are VERY VERY nice ponies, "A" quality ponies!! -------------------- * ashley * *.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* RIP Scarlet, we love you and will never forget you, you touched so many people's lives. *.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* Sarge.Rules.Sebastian <3 my boys for life, i love you all no matter what you all have a very special place in my heart! Posts: 1418 | From: PA | Registered: Sep 2003 CANDYGIRL Member Member # 719 posted December 02, 2003 04:00 PM         Lou, Yes they are trying to get the B's back to their original breed standard, Sec A Welsh Mountain Pony under 12hh, Sec B Welsh Pony under 13.2hh, Sec C Welsh Pony of Cob Type not to exceed 13.2hh, and Sec D Welsh Cob. The breeders were breeding the B's and still are with not a lot of bone at all, which strays away from the orginal breed standard, because of the demand for finer ponies for Showing and Showhunter classes, now, they are getting more bone back. I went to a younstock show a few weeks ago, WPCS medal show, and you would be realy surprised now. I get the newsletter being a member, and for the last four or five years they have been on about the breeding of the B getting finer and finer. Right Halter Girl, I couldn't find anything on any of these ponies, over my way, but notice now I have more info to go on, so will go back and check that, but I did find the WPCS of Overseas web site address. you might find something on their, but will check my journal in bed, got them back to 1991, so should be something. It's nearly tomorrow now, so I am off to bed, and will check through there and will post you first thing Wednesday Morn with what I have found. The Grey Looked Twice is the one standing out for me at the minute, lets see what her breeding is. I am glad you are taking her with you, I was thinking it was going to be a surprise, nice but not like you can take it back if it don't fit and the full vet check, wise girl. Here the site no good at links or any of that, so you might have to put it in your keyword, just a site on a WPCS newsletter. http://www.welshpony.org/ Catch you tomorrow - don't need an excuse to get into my journals Jane -------------------- NO FOOT NO HORSE Proud owner of Hollybush Picollo Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003 CANDYGIRL Member Member # 719 posted December 02, 2003 04:03 PM         oohh the link worked, happy reading, night night from UK, It's Wednesday now. Good Morning Lou -------------------- NO FOOT NO HORSE Proud owner of Hollybush Picollo Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003 Dawn Member Member # 14 posted December 02, 2003 04:21 PM         The top pony's in a D-ring. They're all fine looking animals, but I will agree that I like the top two much more than the third. -------------------- Heard in the midst of a handwriting exam ~ "And to think, we could've been bio-chem majors." Posts: 6885 | From: Tennessee | Registered: Nov 2002 Catapultcomformation Member Member # 827 posted December 02, 2003 07:42 PM         I ove the second one its like the one my sunt used to own my mothers was a sec b/tennesee walker beautiful pony if I may say so my sel.Yeah that does look like a standing martingale im pretty sure thats what that is I like the 2 and the 3 ones nice ponies! -------------------- ;)Anna ;) jumping is like being set off in a catapult you dont know quite the extent of your stupidity until its over, and by that time your already in the ER Posts: 570 | From: USA alabama | Registered: Oct 2003 Lou3 Member Member # 926 posted December 03, 2003 12:46 AM         ooo please tell me they are going to put the "cap" back on section D sizes too. I hate seeing the huge ones of 16hh and more because they just arent right for the breed (same as i hate seeing 17hh arabs and 15hh fijords - breeds should have a set height range and stick to it and not register animals outside of it except as part breds) Im really glad they are trying to breed the bone back into section B's - they were getting far too show-pony like for my tastes. I think thats why i gave up on them and moved on to connemaras. Lou -------------------- gypsey gold doesnt gleam or clink, but stomps its feet and nickers in the night. Posts: 1551 | From: UK | Registered: Oct 2003 showjumper Member Member # 950 posted December 03, 2003 02:43 AM         is it commonplace to ahowjump ponies in the US in standing martingales? sorry if i am wrong, but they all appear to be wear ing them in the picture... -------------------- ollie_lou@hotmail.com www.freewebs.com/sachashorses "i love jumping, but i love my horses more" "i whisper, yet my horse does not listen" Posts: 294 | From: uk, essex | Registered: Nov 2003 CANDYGIRL Member Member # 719 posted December 03, 2003 06:28 AM         HalterGirl I couldn't find anything on any of the prefixes for the ponies sires or dams, so I rang the WPCS, and they havn't got anything registered either. When you go to see these ponies, you need to see the paperwork and registration papers whether they are part of full bred welsh, if they are, the paperwork, even though you are in America will be the same as it is for us in UK. If they don't have any paper work with the Welsh Pony and Cob Society heading on, they are not registered welsh ponies. To be registered with WPCS, they have to have at least 12 & half percent Welsh Blood in them(it use to be 25% but has been recently changed) Now assuming that you want something with Welsh Blood in it, then this is REAL important, if you are not bothered then it isn't BUT if you are going to be paying a good price for any of these ponies, and they are stating they are Welsh, but cannot produce the certificates, Walk Away, because if you did want to register them, they would have to be DNA tested, have the service Certificates, and you would have to pay for the Vet to do the DNA, and then to register them it would cost you in English money £264.00 to get them registered. I asked the society if it is usual for a Reg Sec B stallion to be put to a Thoroughbred mare and produce a 13.2hh pony, they said not usually, but it has been done. I checked the prefixes on the net and found sites with Glencoe Comby and Cymraeg Rainbeau. The Cymraeg stock showed me a Stallion stating Welsh/TB called Blue Rain which is 12.2hh, now logical thinking and knowing the Breed, you would not get a 50/50 part bred Welsh out of a TB(even if 15hh) and a 13.2hh B, that would stand 12.2hh, does that make sense. So be real careful before you exchange any money if you are wanting something that has Welsh Blood in it and is registered. I am going to scan the top of Pic's Stud book registration so you know what you are looking for. The paperwork for a Gelding is Yellow and for a Mare is Blue. This is What the paperwork should look like for a registered Welsh. (I have only done the top, not his stud no or anything, so no one can copy it and pass a pony off as registered as him) Hope this helps. Lou, Yes it has been documented about the D's getting too too. When I am judging or stewarding at WPCS medal shows, judges like to see a D, no bigger than 15.1hh tops, idealy 14.2hh to 15hh, and my friend who is secretary of the Midlands Branch of WPCS, Alison Squire strives to produce animals that stand no taller than 15hh. I will bump up a post of some photos I took the other day, when returning her repaired rugs. Just wanted to add, but don't feel obliged, but I have been trying to track these ponies for you Halter Girl from 10.30am this morning when I came back from Doing Pic and it is now 14.30. I really love the breed, and don't want you to be ripped off if you want a genuine Welsh Pony, Part or Full bred, and the paperwork makes a difference to the price. Jane -------------------- NO FOOT NO HORSE Proud owner of Hollybush Picollo Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003 HalterGirl_88 Member Member # 753 posted December 03, 2003 10:39 AM         I greatly appreciate your help Candygirl! I will be sure to get a look at their papers! -------------------- Is it the smell of their body as I hug their long neck, or the scent only a horse has that I can't forget? Is it the depth of their eyes as they contentedly rest? No, it's just being around them that I like the best.--Teresa Becker http://community.webshots.com/user/haltergirl_88 Posts: 606 | From: IA | Registered: Sep 2003 CANDYGIRL Member Member # 719 posted December 03, 2003 11:13 AM         HalterGirl, Print off the top of the form that will impress that you know what you are looking for, and then they can't fob you off. Hope all works out. Jane -------------------- NO FOOT NO HORSE Proud owner of Hollybush Picollo Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003 EquestrianVNurse Member Member # 1050 posted December 03, 2003 02:44 PM         Hiya Showjumper, I think they're allowed to jump in standing martingales in children's classes. -------------------- Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. Posts: 37 | From: UK | Registered: Nov 2003 CANDYGIRL Member Member # 719 posted December 03, 2003 02:53 PM         The martingales look like they have loads of give, look elasticated, bit like a training aid, would have to look in my robinson to give it a proper name. I wouldn't fancy jumping in a full standing. I know when I jumped, rapped it when I was 14, we always used running, I never got as far as Showjumper, she qualified for Olympia again this year and won in junior at HOYS I only got as far as Stoneleigh, but had fun. -------------------- NO FOOT NO HORSE Proud owner of Hollybush Picollo Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003 EquestrianVNurse Member Member # 1050 posted December 04, 2003 12:58 AM         I did actually mean to put that I think they are allowed to use martingales in childrens classes at shows... although obviously the restrictive standing martingale would prevent the horse from jumping... especially to it's full potential. -------------------- Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall. Posts: 37 | From: UK | Registered: Nov 2003 showjumper Member Member # 950 posted December 04, 2003 01:28 AM         thanks candygirl!!! i think that this pony is pic!!! i am just supprised that standing martingaes of ny kid are used... the bsja have banned them (if not put restrictions on them)i know the pony club have banned them. was just curious that's all. thanks for the info EVN. gonna take meeko to a lil SJ comp this sat... just do the 2ft3 and 2ft6 like last time...s he went really well... and sun i am aff at towerlands i think!!! riding mates stallion dinkey dynamo flight!! !Lol!!! dinkey's black but hey!!! showjumper! -------------------- ollie_lou@hotmail.com www.freewebs.com/sachashorses "i love jumping, but i love my horses more" "i whisper, yet my horse does not listen" Posts: 294 | From: uk, essex | Registered: Nov 2003 CANDYGIRL Member Member # 719 posted December 04, 2003 03:35 AM         Showjumper, I think this is Pic as well after he has dumped his jockey OOhh new smileys You could of used this one for Dinky only no rearing at the show What are those martingales So many gadgets nowadays gone graemlins mad Did you know you can only use up to 8 Graemlins on a post? -------------------- NO FOOT NO HORSE Proud owner of Hollybush Picollo Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003

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