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Topic: experience
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showjumper
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posted December 01, 2003 02:01 AM
hello
i am just writing to say that, whilst books are interesting and provide us with a wealth of information, it seems to be commonplace with some members of this forum to be displaying an extreem tallent for coppying an pasting. I was under the impression that we are all here to share personal experiences, and not to display our tallents of reading, copying and pasting. Wea ll have acess to the internet and books, i feel that experience is the best advice anyone can give???
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Posts: 294 | From: uk, essex | Registered: Nov 2003
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Blistering Winds
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posted December 01, 2003 05:19 AM
Actually what other's can find about a subject can be beneficial to others as well. Yeah, I love the links, but on a site where I just want ONE piece of info, a copy-paste is exactly what I need. Any and all types of information, regardless whether they came from books, knowledge, etc is useful in its own way. Maybe not to you, but to someone who doesn't KNOW where to find it.
You may not want the copy-paste stuff, but try to be a little more courtious to those that can benefit from that information as well. I never saw one place where it said "Personal Experience Only". Sorry if I'm being rude, but your post is just as bothersome as another that was posted not long ago.
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Posts: 4337 | From: Texas | Registered: Oct 2003
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showjumper
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posted December 01, 2003 05:39 AM
BW,
Whilst I do appolagise for being somewhat "bothersome" to an individual such as yourself, but what it was that I was indeed trying to convey was that of the fact that, EVERYBODY is able to retrieve a book or use a search engine on the world wide web in order to search for attempts to answer questions of the problems that it is that they are experiencing... but I was howeve, meerely mentioning, that whilst the copy and paste method is effective in it's own mannor, that of personal experience of others should be considered equally.
Please do not hesitate to inform my-self should there be any discrepensy within this post, but I am sure that I have covered most of your 'feedback'
awaiting a response BW.
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"i love jumping, but i love my horses more"
"i whisper, yet my horse does not listen"
Posts: 294 | From: uk, essex | Registered: Nov 2003
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Dawn
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posted December 01, 2003 12:33 PM
I know that I am not the most adept web surfer. I don't see that copying and pasting is any different than providing a link. Which Sandra is wonderful at by the way. If you don't have the knowledge to word it yourself, I see no problem with pasting from a website.
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Dawn
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posted December 01, 2003 12:34 PM
Also meant to say that if someone has responded to the topic and knows what they're talking about, there's really no reason for someone else to site something from a site or book that says the same thing. Now if it provides a different view point, that's different.
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EquestrianVNurse
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posted December 01, 2003 12:47 PM
I think what Showjumper is trying to get at is that everyone can search the web and read books but personal experience gives that person better knowledge of the situation at hand. I am a strong believer that you "have to go through it to truly understand it". A lot of knowledge and a lot of great advice comes from the net and books and I don't think Showjumper ever said it was wrong to copy and paste, just to experience something first hand is always valuable. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Posts: 37 | From: UK | Registered: Nov 2003
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Dawn
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posted December 01, 2003 12:50 PM
I agree with that, but I'm not going to say you shouldn't quote other sources. Sometimes it's just easier to explain, sometimes no one has first hand experience, and sometimes I might be interested in something out of a book but not have personal access to it.
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Blistering Winds
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posted December 01, 2003 01:16 PM
Especially to ones (books and such) that don't come from the same country as I do or you do etc. Usually if I do actually post book stuff, which isn't very often unless medical stuff so I get all the info right....I also throw in personal stuff as well. Sometimes someone has seen something that I haven't seen on the web and they provide the link so i can explore as well as grab up all the advice that is listed from other members. Like Dawn said, there are people on here that are AWESOME at finding pages and stuff. Like Sandra...she's found stuff I haven't seen before and I'm an AVID web-surfer. She kicks my rear at finding info. I'll have to employ her when I start doing more research papers.....lol
There are people on this forum that are lucky to be able to post on it with their knowledge, let alone surf the web (no offense ya'll). My mom talks on a forum similar to this, but about ferrets. God forbid she has to search the web for anything. She's on the phone for hours with me trying to figure it out. She's had a computer for years, and is not good at surfing and finding information that she needs.
Just posting a comment like you did just bothers me a lot. Honestly, who cares if someone copies and pastes information. It's information. I don't know how many times Dawn has repeated the same thing to me that I already know long before she ever posted, but i don't get upset. I just read it and go on. It will benefit someone else in that situation in the future. Learning is repetition. More you repeat, more you will retain.
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Posts: 4337 | From: Texas | Registered: Oct 2003
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RiverMountainLady
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posted December 01, 2003 02:59 PM
I understand what you're all trying to say although I must admit I agree strongly with Blistering Winds. And for the short time I've been at these boards I've read as many, if not more stories about personal or close experiences as I have been directed to very informative sites. And since I'm new fully entering the horse-world, I'm appreciative of both.
Posts: 110 | From: Mass. | Registered: Nov 2003
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Sandra-A1
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posted December 01, 2003 03:21 PM
I see no problem with doing a search and finding information on the WWW to share when someone asks a question. There are people who might know not exactly what they need to be looking for or did not realize that that sort of information was available online.
I love to provide links!
I think it helps to have the information right there on the screen to use and refer back to as needed.
I also try to find places with good photos and diagrams that help because people can actually see and better understand.
I also relate my own personal experience when I have a strong opinion or feel I have something that might be of benefit to others here on the forum.
So all in all I think that people on this forum who do get their questions answered don't care where the answer came from they just want several things they can try in hopes one will help them out!
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Posts: 1863 | From: Alabama | Registered: Aug 2003
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Lou3
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posted December 01, 2003 04:37 PM
i think if we all follow the general guidelines before then we should be ok
If you know nothing about a topic and it is a Specific question/problem requiring specific advice dont post, read the posts and take in the information and then you might well be able to help the next person with that problem (these are the personal experience only required/useful type posts).
If you do know a good site or have some general topic information about a more specific problem that has cropped up to copy&paste start a new thread as im sure we will all find the information useful at some point.
try and give specific answers to specific questions and general information to "want to find out more" or "does anyone know anything about" posts.
dont be afraid of healthy debate but try and respect other people's opinions and be courteous.
above all try and keep replies relevant and dont go repeating things over and over again, if you agree with the advice someone else has given just say "i agree" and dont forget WE ARE ALL HERE TO LEARN (and to make new friends of course)
Lou
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Posts: 1551 | From: UK | Registered: Oct 2003
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showjumper
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posted December 02, 2003 03:10 AM
the rectifying of a situation lies solely with an individual... books (and suchlike) create a base upon which personal experience derrives, never have i condemned the use of the aforementioned, but neither have i encouraged the excessive or biblical use of books and the information provided within them. although somewhat petty, an example of this would be that of the BHS textbook way to put a rug on, personally, i have foud it to startle my arab particularly, but also proves impractical in a rushed situation for example, when i am 'sorting' my horses before college. it was not my intention to provoke 'rash' reponses. i feel that it would be appropriate to ask members to consider their text book following... to the letter or, create our own slant upon it...
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"i love jumping, but i love my horses more"
"i whisper, yet my horse does not listen"
Posts: 294 | From: uk, essex | Registered: Nov 2003
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Blistering Winds
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posted December 02, 2003 04:36 AM
You may have had a bad experience with "book information" (thats what I got out of your post), but there are others that can understand technical stuff easier. Yes our personal experiences help with the explanations, but I know several **** people that have to know what it is where it came from, etc..even if they don't actually post it. Like me. For most everything I know, I have a book, link, website that I can access to fine tune myself.
It's just your origional post, the way most of us took it, was like saying that people should NOT post books and link information. It discourages a person that has information that say, I might want, just that I didn't post that I wanted book info as well.
How about this, If you post a question, mention that you don't want book or link information and we'll try to abide by it...ok?
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CANDYGIRL
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posted December 02, 2003 04:46 AM
I think we should calm this down a bit now. Lets get back to a friendly forum, and help each other isnstead of backstabbing. I think the point was made and has been taken, and we all have opinions. I myself do not know how to copy and paste, or put a link and Sandra has gone through it with me loads of times, so I can only put posts on what come from my experiences. I have managed to be able to put an http:// but only after Dawn telling me a thoushand times how to do it.
SO COME ON LET IT DROP NOW
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Posts: 2620 | From: England | Registered: Sep 2003
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showjumper
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posted December 02, 2003 04:55 AM
whilst i have just spent ages typing a rather explanative reply- to BW- the computer crashed.
i just think what iw as trying to convey has been taken in rather the wrong way- and should BW have any issues with my self then please... be sure to PM me.
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"i love jumping, but i love my horses more"
"i whisper, yet my horse does not listen"
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Blistering Winds
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posted December 02, 2003 07:36 PM
Nope..don't have any issues with you personally. Just your post....that is all. Yes we may have taken it wrong, but like i've been told in the past, read what you write before submitting so no one gets offended too badly.....
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Horses should not be treated as people. They should be respected for who they are and what they are capable of doing!
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