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Author Topic: My horses foot?!? 2nd page mostly... kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 28, 2003 07:48 PM         Hey! Good news!! I have been teachin my horse how to jump without a rider...like Jumpers pictures!!! and hes doin great!!! i ll have to get some picttures soon...im soo excited!! And more good news..my trainer came out and she saw his progress...she said i was doin great...and she said that she is sellin a barely used english saddle and shes willing to give it to me for very cheep!!! i saw it and it and tried it out and its great! im soo excited!!!She has even said my jumping skills r improving tremendously!!! Ahhh thanx for all ur advice and help..w/o u guys i think i would have had to hire someone to teach him how!!!! Give some feed bad or more tips i would love to hear from u!!!!!!! [ December 02, 2003, 12:43 PM: Message edited by: kaitlyn ] -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 cutting_queen Member Member # 1052 posted November 28, 2003 08:35 PM         congrats i'd like to see him jump!! get pics! -------------------- ***smalls*** Posts: 553 | From: washington | Registered: Nov 2003 Jubilee Farm Member Member # 380 posted November 28, 2003 10:09 PM         Super! Keep us posted Posts: 289 | From: Northern CA | Registered: Jul 2003 hOrSeCrAzEeE120 Member Member # 771 posted November 29, 2003 06:40 AM         thats great! congrats! keep us updated.. i would love to see pictures -------------------- * ashley * *.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* RIP Scarlet, we love you and will never forget you, you touched so many people's lives. *.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.*.* Sarge.Rules.Sebastian <3 my boys for life, i love you all no matter what you all have a very special place in my heart! Posts: 1418 | From: PA | Registered: Sep 2003 kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 29, 2003 12:14 PM         good news and bad...my pics r almost all developed!! so i can post some soon...id think they r all jumping tho... and the bad news is junior has a sore foot... im really upset cuz i have been workin with him and now i cant....i told my dad many of times to take them out of the mud n i think thats the cause...but idn..im just sad -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 Dawn Member Member # 14 posted November 29, 2003 12:51 PM         Have you thought that it might be a problem that he has that didn't show up till he was jumped? I would get the vet out to check or at least have the farrier look next time he's out and not jump till then. -------------------- Heard in the midst of a handwriting exam ~ "And to think, we could've been bio-chem majors." Posts: 6885 | From: Tennessee | Registered: Nov 2002 bay_blnd jmpr07 Member Member # 932 posted November 29, 2003 02:33 PM         dawn--dont jump to such drastic conclusions all the time. he could have just come up lame from stepping on a stone. dont make such a big deal outa having the vet come check him out. but dont jump ur horse until his foot his better and wait a few days after that. if doesnt get better in a few days then call ur vet. Tiny -------------------- Woody-RIP 4/7/04- You will always be missed. We love you Lil' Woody Man!!! "FEAR-Fake Evidence Appearing Real"--Lee Rouson It's not an obsession...It's a commitment!! "It's not in his feet...It's in his heart"--Red http://community.webshots.com/user/doublefc Posts: 1959 | From: Connecticut | Registered: Nov 2003 Dawn Member Member # 14 posted November 29, 2003 02:35 PM         I was only pointing out the fact that that could be a cause. The horse hasn't jumped before, the horse starts jumping, the horse is lame. Logical conclusion, it could be related to jumping. -------------------- Heard in the midst of a handwriting exam ~ "And to think, we could've been bio-chem majors." Posts: 6885 | From: Tennessee | Registered: Nov 2002 bay_blnd jmpr07 Member Member # 932 posted November 29, 2003 02:37 PM         yes, but when i started jumping fiona again she got lame, but that was from a stone bruise from stones in her paddock(which r gone now)i'm just saying dont say 'call ur vet right away' on every lil issue. normally u wait a few days to see if it heals, unless u can tell the horse is in serious distress, then u call the vet right away. Tiny -------------------- Woody-RIP 4/7/04- You will always be missed. We love you Lil' Woody Man!!! "FEAR-Fake Evidence Appearing Real"--Lee Rouson It's not an obsession...It's a commitment!! "It's not in his feet...It's in his heart"--Red http://community.webshots.com/user/doublefc Posts: 1959 | From: Connecticut | Registered: Nov 2003 Dawn Member Member # 14 posted November 29, 2003 02:38 PM         How would you know it's a stone bruise unless someone tells you? I didn't say get the vet out asap, I said if I were you, I'd have the vet look at it before I jumped again. -------------------- Heard in the midst of a handwriting exam ~ "And to think, we could've been bio-chem majors." Posts: 6885 | From: Tennessee | Registered: Nov 2002 bay_blnd jmpr07 Member Member # 932 posted November 29, 2003 02:44 PM         when fiona came up lame i had the barn manager check her foot out. and she told me it was a stone bruise.(and this woman has been around horses her whole life and when ever the vet was and is out she was/is always at their side asking questions.)and i also had the instructors look so i had 3 opinions and they all said stone bruise. so i'd say have experienced horse ppl check out the foor and if they say its sumthin that needs special attention then call the vet. but get opinions first before spending the money for the vet. u could end up using money that could have been saved. Tiny -------------------- Woody-RIP 4/7/04- You will always be missed. We love you Lil' Woody Man!!! "FEAR-Fake Evidence Appearing Real"--Lee Rouson It's not an obsession...It's a commitment!! "It's not in his feet...It's in his heart"--Red http://community.webshots.com/user/doublefc Posts: 1959 | From: Connecticut | Registered: Nov 2003 kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 30, 2003 07:51 AM         Look dawn u may not think i kno what im doin with this but i do....ok...i wouldnt be crazy enough to jump him either while hes limping around..i dont appretiate being put down about this..i already feel bad enough as it is...and i posted a topic called...what to do about grass?? i dont think u replied to that one but in there i said we had a mud problem and i thought it would be a problem if we kept them in there...and did u think mabe i knew why he was lame already...i dont want to start an argument, but just have a lil more confidence in me.. -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 PiratePrincess Member Member # 761 posted November 30, 2003 07:55 AM         I think all Dawn was trying to say was that there could be a small risk that the lameness is related to the jumping. Not once did Dawn say,'oh, he's lame because you jumped him,' She was just stating that it could be because of the new stuff he's been doing. -------------------- graciecob@yahoo.co.uk http://www.freewebs.com/graciecob/ Posts: 957 | From: Central Scotland | Registered: Sep 2003 kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 30, 2003 08:02 AM         i kno..im sry...i was just upset about his lameness...but i just felt like dawn was blaming me for it when she said "Have you thought that it might be a problem that he has that didn't show up till he was jumped" i was just still upset cuz now i cant work with him for a while... -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 Blistering Winds Member Member # 843 posted November 30, 2003 08:06 AM         Kaitlyn...calm down. No one is degrading your knowledge nor caring for your horse. Same with bay_blnd. Calm down. First off, a vet should always be a thought in your mind when a horse comes up lame. There are people out there that will read this forum with the same question yet they didnt' even THINK about calling a vet. So it's not just for your benefit, it is also for others. And unless you've actually seen a stone bruise, you wouldn't know what to look for. Trust me. Took me years and 2 vets to learn what to look for in stone bruising. And even when it is just a stone bruise, I treat the whole leg like the whole thing is lame. usualy when a horse comes up stone bruised, they also tend to pull something while trying to stay OFF of that foot. A good whole leg regimine is always good even if it is just one thing. Especially in the front feet. Second off. Getting other opinions, regardless of how sound they are is always great. Because even if it isn't the case now, those options are in your head for the day when it DOES happen. Jumping in the mud can be very dangerous and the combonation of the two can cause a horse to go lame. Bad take-off, bad land. He could have slipped but you didnt' feel it cause it was ever so slight. It could not have been the mud at all, but the actual act of jumping could have pulled something. Electrolytes may have been off causing an internal spasm at the wrong time, causing a bad cramp, causing a pull or tear. Weakness in a joint could have worsen from the take-off, landing. Etc. I can keep going on and on of what possibly could be wrong. But, from the limited info that has been given, the logical conclusion is that it could have more than likely been linked to jumping the horse and the process/ground etc that was involved with it. Calm down when people bring up "logical" conclusions of what could have happened. They are always of help especially if it happens over and over again. And if you can't jump your horse 2 days later, something seriously went wrong from actual tearing of muscle fibers, pulling muscles, stone bruising (which should be fine after about a week). Most of us bring up a vet because it IS good to have a vet. We don't know your medical background any more than you know ours. And to PREVENT neglect because of ignorance, it is important to always mention a vet. But if you do know how to treat stuff, then sure, don't call a vet. I know how that is. I spent from 1994 to present learning how to medically treat my animals both large and small without a vet. Most I ever do is call my vet up and he calls me in a prescription if his clinic isn't open. (like 8:00 at night and stuff). But I've GOT the training and trust from my vet to do stuff like that. MOST people in the horse world DON'T. Most don't even have a vet that their horse sees once a year! If ever. But that is what we all are here for. To educate those that aren't as knowledgeable as the rest. There is probably something I can learn from you guys. I probably know much more than both of you, but I will accept any ideas when I post something regardless of your "knowledge" or experience. As long as it is put in a way that is intelligent and not snippy. From just reading the posts, Dawn didn't say anything in anyway degrading nor to put you down in your knowledge area. Anyways, good luck. -------------------- Horses should not be treated as people. They should be respected for who they are and what they are capable of doing! Born Free Now Expensive Posts: 4337 | From: Texas | Registered: Oct 2003 kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 30, 2003 08:24 AM         i kno...i apologize....i wasnt jumpin him in mud...we have a ring...the mud i meant for is in the pasture and ive been buggin my dad to fix it and get them out of there...i thought it could do damage to hooves...im not sure...and trust me i called the vet as soon as o came i got to a phone...once again im sry but i was still upset about it and worried because hes limpin really bad....i put him in our ring to stay out of the mud...what else could i do in the meantime since the vet cant come for a while hes away....?? again im sry i was just really upset... -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 Blistering Winds Member Member # 843 posted November 30, 2003 08:31 AM         Rest Cures 99% of all lamenesses. Just depends on the amount of damage to determine the length of rest. Which leg is he limping off of? Liniment BOTH front legs. Doesn't hurt to do it until the vet gets there. If there is swelling in a certain area, liniment it more often. 2-3x a day. If he's really hurting, bute him just a bit to take the edge off. But if he's moving around, don't bother. I'm talkin about NOT MOVING, NOT EATING type of pain to bute him. Just leave him by himself in the ring. Clean out all of his feet. Check for dark spots that weren't there before. Even on the frog. Frog bruising is much worse than sole bruising in my opinion. Much more pain involved and usually takes a little longer to heal up. If he wants to run and kick, let him. Don't stop him cause horses are pretty good at knowing what they can and can't do. Some don't, but most do. He might be just fine in a few days. Sometimes when a horse starts jumping, they get a little sore cause they are using muscles they don't normally use in every-day events. I know my friends' regimine is Flat work all week, 2x a week, jumping work. And her horses when they started, usually were sore after the jumping regimine. So they got a day of rest and turn-out after jump days at the beginning. They were fine afterwards, and they are fine now. Just takes time to build them up. That could be the issue to. Doesn't hurt to have him vetted to make sure nothing is wrong with him overall and that jumping won't worsen it. Good Luck!! -------------------- Horses should not be treated as people. They should be respected for who they are and what they are capable of doing! Born Free Now Expensive Posts: 4337 | From: Texas | Registered: Oct 2003 kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 30, 2003 08:49 AM         i think hes limping off of his front right foot...he always has his weight off of it and throws his head up especially when walkin on it...he does eat and walk round if he wants i think its just painful..the last i jumped him was i think three or four days ago and i discovered this about yesterday morning...shouldnt he be better already tho if its from building up his new muscels?...and wats liniment? sry im sorta new to all this soo i dont kno alot of terms... -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 30, 2003 09:01 AM         o yea i also have to add...the day before yesterday morning...in the evening...i took junior out to graze him a lil...well when i was walkin him back i thought i saw a slight limp but wasnt sure so i walked him around a lil more to see but he wasnt limping at all...and when i discovered it yesterday moring...since then his limpin is worse!! its not that much worse but it did get a lil worse soo idn wat to think! -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 Blistering Winds Member Member # 843 posted November 30, 2003 09:07 AM         Liniment is a smelly stuff that works GREAT on horse's muscles. I actually found some up at the Grocery store the other day in the Muscle Pain cream section. Go to the store and see if they have any. Absorbine is great. If they have the Gel form, get that one. MUCH easier to apply. Apply it to the WHOLE leg from teh Cornet band to the shoulder if you aren't sure where the actual injury happened. Liniment is a MUST in a horse-owners box. Even if you never use it, you'll run into someone who does. Definitly check his feet. Look at the cannon bone for odd shaped protrusions and bumps. Even the slightest bump can cause issues. If he's off that right leg, more than likely it's the cause. Check his feet, hooves, etc. Before adding liniment...feel for heat. Feel the left, and feel the right, you should notice a slight temp change somewhere...THAT"S where the injury is. Apply LOTS of liniment to the area. The injury may be worse than liniment can do, but hey, anything can help to ease your mind and his pain in that area. If you are sore, you can use the liniment as well. WORKS GREAT!! I use it....I just use it at home so I don't smell like it when I go out. Unless it's to the barn, then who cares. As for muscle building, it takes time. One session won't build anything. If he is worse a few days later instead of the inital day, he might have slightly injured it jumping, then between that time and the day you really noticed it he injured it more. Off the top of my head, sounds like something got pulled if he got worse. Or bowed (thinking the worse). Definitly vet check is in order if he got worse and not better after a few days. if it was just soreness, he should have been worse the day after, and gotten better since he isn't stalled up. Something happened. Not to freak you out, could be as simple as a pulled muscle. But definitly vet check. Call another vet if your vet isn't in town. At least get some anti-inflammatories on board until your vet comes back for a second opinion. Make an appt to take him to a vet tomorrow is what I would do. ANY lg animal vet will do initially. But definitly follow up with your vet whenever he gets back and DEFINITLY before you jump again. -------------------- Horses should not be treated as people. They should be respected for who they are and what they are capable of doing! Born Free Now Expensive Posts: 4337 | From: Texas | Registered: Oct 2003 kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 30, 2003 09:33 AM         i noticed something in his hoof but im not sure it might be my imagination...it looked like on his frog there was an acorn shell so i checked it out cleaned out his hoof but it wasnt it was part of his from i think thats partially coming off....but idn mabe it was an acorn ill have to go outside in a few mins...to check the heat thing while hes eating....thanx for the help....if u have anymore that would be great i can use all the help i can get.... -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 Blistering Winds Member Member # 843 posted November 30, 2003 09:39 AM         Also, if your vet can't come out, call your farrier to just check his feet out. Might cost you like $5 bucks, but its worth it to give you peace of mind that it isn't a foot issue. Start narrowing things down. -------------------- Horses should not be treated as people. They should be respected for who they are and what they are capable of doing! Born Free Now Expensive Posts: 4337 | From: Texas | Registered: Oct 2003 kaitlyn Member Member # 402 posted November 30, 2003 02:13 PM         i cleaned his hoof of really well but i think i just cant tell cuz idn wat to look for...i looked for holes but i didnt see anything deep enough to be graveling i think....i looked for dark spots but his hooves r black and white anyway!?!? so i think there is a bruise but im not sure if it really is how can i tell....i think mabe it could be his frog cuz it looks like its ripped up or somethin..but idn if it is bad or wat cuz ive never had this trouble tih him so i dont kno too much of this stuff... -------------------- ~horses are my heart and soul~~ Feel free to PM me if you need any help!! lots o luv! Posts: 363 | From: md | Registered: Jul 2003 Blistering Winds Member Member # 843 posted November 30, 2003 02:22 PM         Most frogs look like they are tearing apart, but always good to have a farrier check it. Bruising, if unsure, the farrier can take a hoof tester and put pressure on the spot to see if the horse is in pain by the flinching of the leg/hoof. I'd call your farrier out and see how fast he can come out before anything else happens... -------------------- Horses should not be treated as people. They should be respected for who they are and what they are capable of doing! Born Free Now Expensive Posts: 4337 | From: Texas | Registered: Oct 2003 mytblady Member Member # 1074 posted November 30, 2003 02:25 PM         i read somewere that teaching your horsse to jump without a rider is like teaching your horse to jump a fence so watch your fences lol -------------------- you shouldn't have to reach high for the stars you should be able to reach inside and grab one Eden Posts: 48 | Registered: Nov 2003

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