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Topic: somach bots
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iambeinalittlequick
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posted April 28, 2004 07:21 PM
how do get rid of them? how long might it take? and are they serious(like life threating)?
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Posts: 131 | From: california | Registered: Jan 2004
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LadyJumper
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posted April 28, 2004 07:22 PM
they are a hazard,get you vet out their and get him/her dewormed now. They are really bad and they will not come out unless under certain circumstances.
Posts: 215 | From: Arkansas | Registered: Jul 2003
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iambeinalittlequick
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posted April 28, 2004 07:36 PM
well we just got him and we wormed him yestrday and in his manure today where dead bots ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) we wormed him with ivercare(ivermectin)
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Posts: 131 | From: california | Registered: Jan 2004
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tn walker
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posted April 28, 2004 07:58 PM
Dead bots in manure is good. This is a sign that they are being killed and have passed through.
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Posts: 923 | From: NC | Registered: Jan 2004
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iambeinalittlequick
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posted April 28, 2004 08:01 PM
whew thankes tn walker iam also debating on putting him on a daily wormer good idea?or not a good idea.and if its not when should i worm him again i worm monthly so just keep on worming monthly?
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Posts: 131 | From: california | Registered: Jan 2004
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tn walker
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posted April 28, 2004 08:06 PM
If you put your horse on daily dewormer, then it will be ineffective unless all of the other horses at the facility are on it as well. I would just continue to do a normal cycle of dewormers. Most people choose to deworm bimonthly, with a double dose of strongid or a 5 day dose of panacure in the spring to kill large strongyles. You may want to deworm again with ivermectin in two weeks to kill any remaining bots, and then get on a bimonthly program. If you have any doubt, talk to your vet.
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"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall." -Confucius
~*Friends are quiet angles who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly*~
And on the 8th day, God said "Thou shalt not trot!". And the good horses listened.
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iambeinalittlequick
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posted April 28, 2004 08:12 PM
thanks for all your help tn walker!! ![[Bow]](graemlins/bow.gif)
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tn walker
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posted April 28, 2004 08:26 PM
no problem ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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~*Friends are quiet angles who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly*~
And on the 8th day, God said "Thou shalt not trot!". And the good horses listened.
Posts: 923 | From: NC | Registered: Jan 2004
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LadyJumper
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posted April 29, 2004 04:57 AM
Oh, that a relief. But make sure when you use the wormer, that you switch with another wormer,so the parasites can't get used to the one you are using.
Posts: 215 | From: Arkansas | Registered: Jul 2003
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iambeinalittlequick
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posted April 29, 2004 08:55 AM
well i was reasearching on the internet and the onley thing that gets rid of bots is ivermectin and it expland like tn walker said two weeks worm him again with a ivermectin based wormer and i think theres onley a couple that have a broad spectrum ivercare and some other kind all try to find the name.
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Posts: 131 | From: california | Registered: Jan 2004
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ejforrest
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posted May 09, 2004 06:43 AM
Horses should be dewormed 6 times a year(every other month)
list of dewormers that will take care of Bots;
Agri-Mectin Paste(1.87% ivermectin)
ComboCare(2% moxidectin&12.5% praziquantel)
Equell Paste(1.87% ivermectin)
EquiMax Paste(1.87 ivermectin & 14.03% praziquantel)
Zimecterin(1.87% ivermectin)
Zimecterin Gold(1.55% ivermectin & 7.75% praziquantel)
Here is a list of dewormer recommended for each month by research:
Jan/Feb Anthelcide EQ Paste or
Panacur Paste or
Safe-Guard
March/April Agri-Mectin Paste or
ComboCare Paste or
Equell Paste or
EquiMax Paste or
Equimectrin Paste or
Horse Health Ivermectin Paste or
IverCare paste or
Quest Gel or
Quest Gel Plus or
Rotation 1 Paste or
Zimecterin Paste or
Zimecterin Gold
May/June Equi-Cide Paste or
Rotation 2 Paste or
Strongid Paste
July/Aug Anthelcide EQ Paste or
Panacure Paste or
Safe-Guard Paste
Sept/Oct Agri-Mectin Paste or
ComboCare or
Equell Paste or
EquiMax Paste
Equimectrin Paste or
Horse Health Ivermectin Paste or
IverCare Paste or
Quest Get or
Quest Plus or
Rotation 1 Paste or
Zimecterin Paste or
Zimecterin Gold
Nov/Dec Equi-Cide Paste or
Rotation 2 Paste or
Strongid Paste
Deworm for tape worms with Zimecterin Gold, Quest Plus, EquiMax,ComboCare, and Equi-Cide.
Best time to deworm for tapeworms are late autumn early winter to clean the horse out from grazing season and late winter or ealy spring to get the horse ready for grazing season.
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Posts: 278 | From: michigan | Registered: Jan 2004
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ToriQui
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posted May 11, 2004 07:18 PM
I notice that a 5 day dose of panacure was recommended for large st. Does this mean that for five days you worm your horse? Our horses had large st early April. I freeked out! Never seen this before! I worm every 8 weeks, but still they had them. I used panacure, but gave each horse a whole tube. The next day, I counted 7 dead large str. worms in the poo. THey are not to be dewormed again until May 28th. SHould I have dewormed sooner and more to ensure that I got rid of the infestation? They weren't even bloaty, I just dewormed on schedule and surprise!
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Tori Qui
Posts: 85 | From: Farwell, Michigan | Registered: Apr 2004
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Sandra-A1
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posted May 11, 2004 07:39 PM
Something else to consider as an important part of your worm control program is manure and pasture managment:
Worm all new arrivals at the same time and keep them stabled for 48 hours to ensure any eggs are passed out by your horse before being let out to pasture.
Remember to either keep the horse in for 24 hours after worming or to make sure that ALL droppings are picked up ASAP.
No worm product kills 100% of worms, hence the necessity to follow the above protocol.
Worming is essential in all horses and ponies that graze, even for short periods. Correct pasture management is, however, equally important. Sound management practices should prevent high levels of infection occuring. Prevention is always better than cure.
The old adage of one horse per acre prevented over stocking but is probably unrealistic nowadays. If overstocking occurs the pasture will divide itself into grazed areas and rough areas (where horses habitually stale and pass droppings). Animals low in the "pecking order" will graze in the rough areas where the levels of infective larvae will be high. As you will see from the small redworm life cycle depicted, small redworm eggs can hatch within two days and be attached to the blades of grass ready for reingestion within seven days. This is why it is important to get out of bed early every Sunday morning and pick up those droppings! In an ideal world they would be picked up daily before the larvae emerge.
Frosts and hot sun will kill larvae on pasture.
Pastures left free of equines for at least five months will be significantly cleaned up but not necessarily free from infection.
A flock of sheep can act as a biological vacuum cleaner.
Mowing or topping the rank grass will also help.
Good preventive husbandry is helpful in preventing ingestion of small strongyles. To decrease the number of small strongyles, avoid spreading fresh manure in pastures. Manure SHOULD NOT be spread on pastures unless it has been composted for over one year.
The strongyle larvae cannot survive the heat and dryness of the summer. Breaking up manure clumps at this time can help. The best approach, but the most time-consuming, is picking the manure up in the pasture at least once a week - an ideal project for a couch-potato spouse or child!
Harrowing is inadvisable for cool climate locations as it only acts to spread worms and is only successful in hot countries where exposed worms are killed by heat and dry conditions.
Harrowing pastures only during the driest and hottest season of the year.
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Posts: 1863 | From: Alabama | Registered: Aug 2003
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ToriQui
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posted May 14, 2004 06:30 PM
Are your horses more susceptable to be wormy in non pasture than pastured horses that graze? Our horses eat out of raised bin and rarely eat off the ground ever. They have a catching tray for what they drop that is also raised. They are as usual grained in buckets in clean stalls. They seem jsut as wormy as those who pasture, but do they get wormier? Is it in essence a more infested environment to be in a dirt area where their poop builts up and needs to be managed more so?
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Tori Qui
Posts: 85 | From: Farwell, Michigan | Registered: Apr 2004
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Blistering Winds
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posted May 15, 2004 08:52 AM
Pasture horses make it harder to control egg ingestion. Stalls, you can strip and bleach and kill all the eggs.
Either way, there is hardly any environment, unless you have a wash and flush system, basically poop falls through the graits and the graits are cleaned immediately, hay is steralized, etc, that you can ensure a worm free environment.
Basically the name of the game is Control the worms so they don't hurt your horse too bad.
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Posts: 4337 | From: Texas | Registered: Oct 2003
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ToriQui
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posted May 15, 2004 01:46 PM
When I first saw a large round worm, I couldn't believe how look. I couldn't help but to think that this thing must hurt! I worm on a 8 week schedule rotating wormer. Is this what all of you do? Should there be times when I worm more frequently, such as May when everything is wet and the sun shines less.
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Tori Qui
Posts: 85 | From: Farwell, Michigan | Registered: Apr 2004
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