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Topic: Breeding and Color
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Lucky Duck
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posted May 07, 2004 08:28 AM
I have a dun QH mare that I am interested in breeding. I'd like to know what possible colors I would get depending on the color of the stallion.
I had found a chart on the internet that listed all the colors with the mare's color at the side and the stallion's color at the top, but I have searched and searched and can't find it! Anyone have this info or know the site?
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Posts: 338 | From: Virginia | Registered: Jan 2004
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crazi4horses
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posted May 07, 2004 08:37 AM
I was wondering the same thing..my mare is Chestnut
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Posts: 2836 | From: New Hampshire | Registered: Sep 2003
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CJ
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posted May 07, 2004 11:42 AM
If I remember correctly, Bay is Dominant of all the colors; chestnut and black are recessive. Palomino is a dilution gene, so you breed palomino and chestnut- if you breed palomino to palomino you get double recessive, and probably will get a cremello. (Altho I did see pal bred to chesnut and the very light mare produced an even lighter filly.) I know a woman who bred her palomino to a black and got a very pretty golden buckskin. (She was disappointed; she said she had wanted a bay and thought the black would produce it. I burst out laughing) Raps' mahogany bay is the happy medium b/t his sire's deep chestnut and dam's seal bay.
I'm raving, so I'm going to back away slowly now...
Posts: 662 | From: NJ | Registered: Mar 2004
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Rocking BT Ranch
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posted May 07, 2004 12:53 PM
Little Ducky - maybe one of these will help you.
Horse Colors
Color Statistic Page
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Posts: 188 | From: Arkansas-mving to Upstate NY | Registered: Mar 2004
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Rocking BT Ranch
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posted May 07, 2004 12:54 PM
Oh good grief !! I meant Lucky Duck...not Little Ducky ! Sorry ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Posts: 188 | From: Arkansas-mving to Upstate NY | Registered: Mar 2004
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sunsetacres
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posted May 07, 2004 01:13 PM
No, bay is not dominant, it is neither. Bay is actually the "agouti" MODIFIER.
It modify's black ONLY and restricts the black color to the points. It does not Modify chestnut, so the chestnut horse will not "show" the agouti modifier, but CAN carry it.
THERE ARE ONLY TWO BASE COLORS:
BLACK - DOMINANT
RED (CHESTNUT/SORREL) - RESSESSIVE
ALL OTHER GENES "Modify" these two colors:
Dilute - or Creme
Dun
Champagne
Grey
Agouti
Grulla or Grullo
Silver Dapple
The dun can be present in conjuntion with ANY combination of these other modifiers. If any of these modifiers are present they show with the exception of smokey black (creme + black) and chestnut with agouti.
Then you have patterns such as:
Tobiano
Tovero
Overo
Splashed white
Sabino
And these don't even get into the patterns that are seen in appy's.
A horse's genetic makeup can contain several of these in combination ie. creme + black + agouti+ tobiano =buckskin tobiano
I know that the tobiano pattern is dominant and if present WILL show. I believe that the Overo pattern can be ressessive and could be present without "showing" on the horse. Someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong on this one. I also believe that Sabino is dominant, however in it's minimal form could look like any solid horse with white markings. A true maximal sabino will be almost all white.
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Posts: 47 | From: Michigan | Registered: Apr 2004
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horse_crazy
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posted May 07, 2004 02:31 PM
*Another key thing is if she is homozygous dun. Which you cannot test for. You will have to go by what colored foals she will thow.
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Mares:
Honey-buckskin(in-foal to a smutty buckskin stallion)
BG-palomino/dunalino(foaled a beautiful filly)
Dibby-dun(in-foal to a palomino stallion)
Star Bucks-buttermilk buckskin(not bred, we may just use her as a riding horse)
Fillies:
Lizzy-grulla(will be used as a broodmare in the future, due to an injury as a weanling...we are unsure if she will be riding sound, although she might be, as her injury has healed so well...you can't even tell)
Sheba-black(hopefully will be shown in Halter classes starting this year)
Blue-blue roan(we aren't too sure what we are going to do with this filly yet....but she is a cutie)
Geldings:
Poco-sorrel/overo*Paint*(Awesome riding horse!)
Brandy-*FOR SALE*(Nice 2 yr old, going into training soon, price will go up, feel free to ask me about him..if you are interested)
Foals:
Tinker Bell- Red dun filly. Nice short neck, long legs, beautiful eyes..absolutely beautiful. Very people friendly.
Other 2 foals are expecting between May and June.
Posts: 853 | From: Wisconsin | Registered: Jun 2003
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Lucky Duck
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posted May 08, 2004 03:44 PM
Wow! Thanks for all the info everyone! I think I am going to look for a Cremello or Perlino stallion...
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A horse will never tire of a rider who possesses both tact and sensitivity because he will never be pushed beyond his possibilities.- Nuno Oliveira
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