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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 10:55 AM
![[Help!]](graemlins/help.gif) Today we were out in the pasture, brushing Midnight, the mare. All the horses seemed to be pretty calm, not running and carrying on like they were yesterday. All 3 kids and I were gathered around Midnight, one daughter combing her mane and I was brushing her sides and flanks. Suddenly she raised her tail, and a yellowish liquid began dribbling out. My first thought was that she had terrible diarrhea, but then I thought maybe that's just the way mares urinate. My experience runs to geldings and I know how they perform their bodily functions, so I thought maybe mares are different. Anyway, though, it's not like she did this and then got finished, it was more of a dribbly stream and then a pause and another dribbly stream. Then, to our complete and utter astonishment, while I was still standing there with the brush in my hand, Buck dashed up, mounted her and began "doing the deed" right in front of us. We all just stood there, mouths hanging open, dumbfounded. I thought geldings weren't interested??? When he finished, she emitted a little more of the dribbly stream and that seemed to be the end of the episode. Can someone please explain this to me? Am I misinformed about the libido of geldings? Can we expect this kind of behavior all the time? We were all quite astounded to find ourselves with front row seats for this event, and the children got quite a lesson in animal husbandry!
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QHGirl
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posted March 31, 2004 10:59 AM
OH GIRL... many things, that liquid she expelled is basically her HEAT cycle... she is in season... I honestly would remove the gelding that mounted her, BECAUSE he might have testicals still up in him or maybe he was proud cut. I would call the vet asap to see what he can find out for you.
As for the deed... was there p*e*n*e*t*r*a*t*i*o*n.. put dots casue that might censor it! Not to be gross but that might help in figuring if he was still a stud..
ALSO it might also make him more protective of her and cause fights in the pasture if he is a stud!
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belle4
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posted March 31, 2004 11:02 AM
The mare was in heat. Most geldings don't have the b@ll$, literally or physicallly to actually mount a mare. You are sure he is a gelding? He could be proud cut. In my experience, that is not normally the case. Our geldings would never think of that. The mares don't usually allow them to eat let alone get that close!
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posted March 31, 2004 11:27 AM
It is not common behavior BUT my aunt had a gelding who was definatly a gelding that use to mount the mares. Though he never got aggressive towards other horses unless the young colts tried to mount the mares then he would put them into place. My aunt uses him as a babysitter for her 2 year olds.
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AnnaBelle02
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posted March 31, 2004 11:49 AM
Deffinately heat.
I have known a couple of geldings that mount mares but this is only usually if its a new mare in the paddock (and its her first heat cycle around him) or if he hasn't been with mares in a long time. After that (the first episodes) they never do it again (until another new mare comes along or a reuniting).
I would look into proud cut though or just watch during her next heat cycle (which is any where from 15-28 days after this one) and see if he tries the same thing. If he isn't overly interested in your mare any other time it may just be his over riding excitement (it is spring and some geldings/mares do get a little over zealous).
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 11:59 AM
This is what we know:
1. Mare is new in the pasture.
2. Gelding will not let other gelding anywhere in the mare's vicinity.
3. There was definite erection and vigorous thrusting.
4. It only took a few minutes.
5. We CANNOT remove the gelding, because he nearly tore down the barn and/or the fence the last 2 times we tried, screaming and rearing and behaving like a fool.
6. My neutered cat and my neutered dog do not behave this way.
This is what we don't know:
1. Where in the heck Buck came from and if he commonly acts like this.
2. Whether he's been around any other mares in recent history.
3. Whether he's proud cut
4. Whether there was actual penetration, although there appeared to be, I did not move in for a closer look! Also see number 3 of what we do know.
The vet is coming to have a look at Buck tomorrow, not because of this, it was already scheduled. Maybe he can shed some light on this morning's activities. A proud-cut gelding CANNOT impregnate a mare, though, RIGHT???
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Dawn
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posted March 31, 2004 12:05 PM
If he's a cryptorchid, he can (yes I know I butchered that spelling). Not likely, but possible.
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 12:06 PM
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You are sure he is a gelding?
Yes, belle4, we are sure he's a gelding.... that's what they TOLD us at the auction anyway. Surely even a sheister horse trader wouldn't deceive about something like that, would they?
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 12:08 PM
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cryptorchid
I don't know this word. What's it mean? And what do you mean, he can? He can what? Mount a mare or impregnate a mare? Please say you mean he can mount a mare... this mare simply cannot get pregnant... she's a rescue horse and we are not supposed to breed her!
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Dawn
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posted March 31, 2004 12:13 PM
It means that they still have at least one retained testicle. It was never dropped, and surgery was never performed to remove it (complicated, expensive, but very necessary.) And yes, it is possible for them to get a mare pregnant, even if they only have one testicle retained. Of course, their sperm count would be very low, but it only takes one.
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 12:16 PM
Oh. Thanks, I thought that was another definition of "proud cut".
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posted March 31, 2004 12:17 PM
Proud cut can be used to mean a retained testicle, or they just didn't get all the tissue. The later will also make the gelding have stud like behaviour.
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QHGirl
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posted March 31, 2004 01:21 PM
I have never seen a gelding actually do the deed, maybe get excited... this sounds so stupid but did slide off of her acting like he was done? Or was it still hard? (reason being if he actually ejacul-ated - might help determine that maybe he had the retaining testacle)
Another stupid question did you notice his tail flagging like no other just before the deed was done?
Yes it really only takes one, and HOPEFULLY it is just a false alarm...The bad thing is even if you did get him from a horse trader, he may not have even know either about it...
I would consult the vet... tell him everything, don't be shy... HE may suggest removing them and you know, seperating them might be best under his supervision... So hard to tell you without seeing it... or your place... ![[Frown]](frown.gif) SORRY I can't be of more help!
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 01:43 PM
You know QH girl, I was so astounded that I don't think I noticed a lot of the little details... I don't know whether he was still hard, he let it hang there for a moment and then pulled it it. It could have been still hard, I do remember my son making the comment, "WOW" but then again, he keeps that thing out so often, waving it and wagging it, that he could have just been in his normal state. I didn't notice his tail, but he did a sort of "quivering/thrusting" thing with his entire rear half.... I do know it was over quickly, it didn't seem to me it was long enough to accomplish anything, but then what do I know? How long does it take for a horse? I remember that at first I thought he was just faking it because he's a gelding and I didn't think he "had it in him" so to speak, but then I got the distinct impression that he had succeeded in "entering the inner sanctum" because there was a little repositioning move he did and after that he seemed satisfied that he was in the right place. I'm sorry... I know this is not a very "polite" discussion, but I really didn't expect to get quite this intimately involved with my horses so quickly! I guess there is just nothing to do but bite my nails till that vet gets here tomorrow at 2:00. What a day.
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posted March 31, 2004 01:50 PM
OH WOW...ok, here are my thoughts on this, either he is a cryptorchid and has retained one testicle, or, he has been recently cut. That is a good possibility also. If he should turn out to be a cryptorchid, you really should get the other testicle removed, it is costly, because it is considered surgery, but if left up there, it can cause aggression, severe pain, and cancer. I know that you said it was hard to seperate them, but that would be your best bet. If he continues to mount and p_enetrate her, he could cause damage to the mare, whenever there is p_enetration the mare runs a risk of infection in her uterus. Good call QHGIRL, was the gelding hard when he slid off, or was he soft, this may be gross, but another question to ask is this, was the head of his penis flared out??
I would definately seperate them until the vet can come out and advise you further. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 01:59 PM
I don't know about "flared out" exactly, but it does seem like the head of the penis was bigger than usual, and bigger than the rest of the shaft. Is that good or bad?
OK, stupid question I guess, but how can penetration be bad for the mare? Reproduction is a normal part of life, right, why would it be harmful?
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QHGirl
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posted March 31, 2004 02:08 PM
Honestly that is REALLY BAD, that means he did ejaculate. (maybe no sperm is in it, but still) It doesn't take long at all for a horse to do it's duty (shall we say)!
Tell you vet, he may want to flush the mare out to reduce infection if any occured!
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posted March 31, 2004 02:16 PM
Each time there is penetration, the penis pushes bacteria up into the mare, the uterus is perfect breeding grounds for infection causing bacterias to form. If the head of his penis was flared out, then like QHGIRL said, he did his job. When you look at the *geldings* parts, well, behind the sheath, do you see anything there?? If you are taking the man who sold him to you's word that he is gelded, take a peek down there and describe to us what you see, if you can. I would absolutely talk to your vet tomorrow and let him know EXACTLY what has been going on with these two.
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posted March 31, 2004 02:17 PM
LOL @ QH Girl!!!
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 02:31 PM
I'll try to look. I actually did try to look earlier to make sure all potential problem parts were indeed removed, but I was looking from behind and trying to get a glimpse while he was flicking his tail. I was apparently looking in the wrong place so I doubt I got an accurate assessment. I'll go try to look again. Honestly I'm a little intimidated about getting too close to the two of them, lest they get amorous again. I would not want to be in his way.
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 02:34 PM
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Honestly that is REALLY BAD, that means he did ejaculate.
(talking to self) I musn't panic... I musn't panic.... I musn't panic!
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QHGirl
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posted March 31, 2004 02:35 PM
HA HA.. You poor thing... SURPRISE!!! Bet you never thought you would see such a thing after a few days of having them!!!
It can be scaring if you are not brased for it... talk about animals!! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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QHGirl
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posted March 31, 2004 02:38 PM
Don't panic yet... Wait till after they pee on the stick... JUST JOKING!! Sorry tying to make you laugh in this interesting time...
EVEN if he did, there is that chance that he is still a gelding and just ejaculated the fluid and not the actual sperm...
What you need to do is get a paper bag, breath into it very slow, nice rythmic breaths!!!
This will make a lot of people mad, but there are always WAYS to work around it if she is pregnate. We will pass that rock when we get there. The vet may want to flush the uterus out tomorrow anyways... EXPECIALLY if she can never be breed!!!
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posted March 31, 2004 02:43 PM
lol again @ QH Girl! We should get together some time...
Anyway, yes, dont worry, what's done is done and we will deal with the results when they come in.
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SaddleHappy
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posted March 31, 2004 03:11 PM
Part-inspecting is going to have to wait. It's freezing outside and he's in the faaaaar corner of the pasture and apparently not willing to lured over my way.
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