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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 11, 2004 07:11 AM
Ok I am trying to find a stallion to breed my broodmare to. This will be her last foal, so I really want it to be a nice one. She is a full Arab. In her picture, she is about 9 months pregnant.  I have been looking at tons of stallions, but have decided that I need the stallion to be within 4 hours of me so that I can drive to see it (I live in central MS). There are several Arabian stallions in my area, but I don't really think that I would want one of their babies, except maybe Manhattan Night (I think that's his name). I was looking at Minyffordd Megastar, but he is just too far away. There is a horse named GF Prince Albert that I like. Here is his pic  . The thing is, I don't want a tall horse. I want one that is 15 hands or less. Arab breeders seem to be breeding big now, for me, them being tall just takes something away, dunno what. There are a few breeds that I will not breed any of my horses to, ever, they are saddle horses, tennessee walkers, and quarter horses. I, personally, just don't like those breeds. So if you guys know of any gorgeous hunks out there for my mare, pass the info.
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
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spyro1
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posted March 11, 2004 10:24 AM
Sorry, the only awesome stallions that I know of happen to be Quarter Horses and Appaloosa's ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 11, 2004 10:38 AM
It looks liek the picture isn't loading, I thought it was earlier. I am staring not to like tripod. They won't even let me link to the pic, hmmm... I have a webpage with all my horses on it, guess that will have to do for now. Here is the web page . The mare's name is GH Desiree.
Quarter horses are just too common for me. The only appaloosas I like are the black or liver chestnut leopard apps. But I still wouldn't want to breed to one. Might buy one of those one day when I get some more land and money. I have to admit, I have seen some Arapaloosas that are so adorable.
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
Posts: 908 | From: Mississippi | Registered: Feb 2004
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horse_nut83
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posted March 11, 2004 12:24 PM
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Quarter horses are just too common for me.
I would rather have a safe sound horse no matter what breed it is. I personally thing quarter horses have a lot of pasazz to them. All horses do. Quarter horses are common because they are the safest, sounded, nicest, best tempered, breed you can find.
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KatesFox
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posted March 11, 2004 12:32 PM
That stallion doesn't look araby at all, he looks, if anything, a draft and arabian cross...
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Sandra-A1
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posted March 11, 2004 12:39 PM
HorseCrazy1981 there are lots of purebred Arabian stallions standing in Mississippi!
Finding a stallion within 4 hours of you should not be that difficult a problem. I live in Alabama and I can even consider Stallions in Georgia, the Florida Panhandle, Mississippi and Tennessee! Plus all of the stallions that ship semen from all over the USA and WORLD!
Have you looked at the ones advertised over on the AHA website?: AHA Stallion Search
Also have you contacted the Mississippi Arabian Horse Association to get information from them about stallions standing in your area? I don't know how current this contact information is but you can give it a try:
Mississippi Arabian Horse Association
Katherine Brister,
3043 Burney Rd,
Crystal Springs, MS 39059
(601) 892-4449
I would not worry too much about Arabians being tall. Most are in the 14:2 - 15:2 hand range they might look taller but that has to do with the way the horse carries himself.
Has your Mare been SCID tested? If not make sure the stallion you breed her to IS SCID CLEAR. Ask to see the proof. If she has been tested then you know what you can and can't do when it comes to breeding stallions.
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Dancinglite
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posted March 11, 2004 01:15 PM
This is my first post so I am saying hello from Canada.
HorseCrazy1981 your mare looks very nice. Built uphill and sporty. My only comment on the stallion in the picture is that he looks high in the haunches and low in the shoulder. This conformation would not compliment your mare.
Personnaly I would look at another stallion.
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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 12, 2004 06:11 AM
The stallion above is a welsh cob.
I tried shipped semen last summer with MPulse++, and she didn't take and I couldn't afford another batch of semen. That's why I am trying to look closer. I really like a stallion over in Pearl name Avantti (Or is it Avantii?) He was never shown, but he looks nice. I can't seem to get in touch with the owners though. I really love a stallion I saw that is standing in Germany, but I can only imagine how much shipping for him would cost. They do ship worldwide, but even now, I can't think of his name. I will have to go back in my Arabian Horse World mags to find him. Padron isn't too far off for me either, and I did consider him, but the stud fee was $5000, and I just really couldn't afford it at that time. Wish I could though. I have seen a bunch of the stallions in MS, at the Arabian shows, and they just didn't impress me much. Some looked like giraffes, there necks were so long, too much muscle, didn't looked very refined at all.
Ok, enough talking about that. I am starting to babble. The only color I don't want to breed to is gray. I owned a QH, and she wasn't safe nor sane. Meanwhile, the Arab I have is sweet and willing. All breeds have exceptions, but those breeds I listed above, they just don't do anything for me.
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
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posted March 12, 2004 06:58 AM
I know this is none of my business and way off topic, but....
i was starting to feel bad for the wringing you were taking in your arena post. You stressed several times that you were so broke, you could not afford lessons, etc.
i would take the nmoney you are going to use to breed your mare to brush up on your skills a bit or send your gelding to the trainer. That should be first ont he priority list, before the expense and responsiblity of breeding.
Make yourself and your horses top notch before you start breeding. If you strive for that you will get a lot less slack.
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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 12, 2004 08:17 AM
I don't want anyone to feel bad for me. I am out of shape and had forgotten how hard it was to stop this gelding. The gelding is also out of shape but is really high-strung, but not crazy. Like I have said in that post, he and I need to work on this, not he, I, and the rest of the world. The more I ride him, the better he gets and remembers. I said it before and I will say it again. Neither he nor I had done anything for 2 years. I lost some arm strength, and he lost some condition. But both he and I will get better. As far as breeding this mare, I can afford to breed her because my husband will help. He doesn't make a lot of money, but he wants to have another baby on the farm that he can help bring up and train. So in essence, it will be his horse.
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
Posts: 908 | From: Mississippi | Registered: Feb 2004
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Sleipnir
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posted March 14, 2004 10:50 AM
Always check the papers of the horse you intend to breed to first. Verify that it is truely a registered horse. You can find many Arab resources at the Arabian Horse Assn of America.
Find reputable stables and breeders etc...
http://www.arabianhorses.org/default2.asp
If you're not interrested in a pure Arab breeding, Make sure you get information as to the horses temperament, Good looks ain't everything.
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Lou3
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posted March 15, 2004 04:00 AM
The welsh/arab cross is an extremely popular one over here and i have owned many ponies of that breeding. (i agree with you about big arabs - i was always told an arab should be between 14.1hh and 15.2hh and i dont reckon they should be allowed to be registered if they are above this)
Im not overly impressed with the stallion you posted (although whoever said he looks downhill - i think thats just because the picture is squint the way its been taken - hes actually standing with his front feet down a slope)
Oooh have you considered a morgan stallion - they make for a super cross with an arab.
Lou
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Dancinglite
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posted March 15, 2004 04:36 AM
The newest cross that is turning heads and will probably prove to be the most sellable is the arab/warmblood.
This cross ( Hannovarian sire on arab mare)has most recently been shown at Devon and is winning its classes. Here is an example of this cross and the winner of his class at Devon.
The full sister to this one actually is turning out better than the colt in this picture.
http://members1.clubphoto.com/violet7124/7444/guest.phtml
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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 15, 2004 05:28 AM
Hmm... I am not really interested in sellability. I thought about crossing with a fjord, but couldn't find one (didn't do much searching though). Plus I don't know anything about the breed standards. Cute horses though. I like the Welsh Cobs because they aren't too short, and they are well built, solid horses that appear to have lots of heart, and I was told when I was younger that Welsh Cobs have attitude (I love that in a horse). I also thought about crossing her to a Fresian, but again, don't know too much about breed standards there, but to me, they are gorgeous horses. I don't know too much about Morgans either, but they seem kinda high strung, at least the ones I have seen. Ok nuff talkin'. Any thoughts or ideas? Anyone who can help me with breed standards, or pictures of horses that are nearly perfect to the breed standards?
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
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Cool Time 84
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posted March 15, 2004 06:11 AM
If you want I can look for a purebred arab, for a reasonable stud fee, or a welsh cob....
The stallion in the picture doesn't really have the GREATEST confo... not bad, but not the best!
He's cute, but IMO wouldn't be something I wanted to breed a mare to!
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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 15, 2004 06:12 AM
I am not a good judge of conformation, maybe you guys can tell me his faults?
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
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posted March 15, 2004 06:03 PM
Um.....what happened to....."I cannot aford to take riding lessons." But now you can afford to breed your mare?
I think you should try to save your money and infest in a good riding instructor. It will serve you years down the road. Bringing a foal into the world and raising, training, etc. is a HUGE financial and emotional responsibility.
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posted March 15, 2004 07:07 PM
Since the stallion in the photo is a Welsh you need to PM Candygirl and ask her opinion as she is the Welsh Expert and a Judge for them.
She will be totally honest with you about him!
As for the Arab Stallions in you area you really need to do more than just look at photos of them.If you see one you like make an appointment and go see them! You will find that while they are beautiful in the photos they can and more often than not look different in real life.
That tall horse in the photo is not always as tall as you think he is.
That long Giraffe-neck looks totally different when the stallion is standing relaxed and natural.
You have to remember and make allowances for the fact that Arabian halter horses are trained to stand, tighten, rock back and reach....AKA: the "halter pose/stance." Their show ring apperarance is nothing like their stall/pasture appearance. That is why the rule was added to the book that horses in Arab halter classes must also be shown on a loose lead walk with handler's whips down sometime during the class.
So if you see one you sort of like and don't go see it you could be missing out on your dream stallion!
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Dancinglite
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posted March 15, 2004 07:41 PM
Here is an example of an arab/WB cross. This stallion is over 17 hh. This boy is built uphill and reflects the modern sporthorse type people are buying and showing in the ring.
http://buyhorses.com/scripts/hrsdetl.exe?1078953962
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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 15, 2004 07:50 PM
::Um.....what happened to....."I cannot aford to take riding lessons." But now you can afford to breed your mare? ::
Jumpers, I have already answered that question, but I will post the same response again.
::As far as breeding this mare, I can afford to breed her because my husband will help. He doesn't make a lot of money, but he wants to have another baby on the farm that he can help bring up and train. So in essence, it will be his horse. ::
My husband and I have had a foal on the farm before. We know the responsibility. And as far as lessons go, if anyone had read my update on the gelding, he and I bonded fabulously over the weekend, and are both doing much better, though my balance still needs work. But that will get better when the strength in my legs returns.
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 15, 2004 07:58 PM
Dancing, that stallion is pretty, but still tall. I am still looking at horses 15 hands and under. Ms. Brister has a gray named Copiah, seeing him in person, out in his little paddock, he just seemed a little dull to me, and didn't impress me enough for me to spend $1200 on the stud fee. Plus, he is gray, that I don't want. The stallion she was always bred to, his stud fee is $300 for me, but I wanted her last foal to be an improvement, rather than the same old same old. I went to several of the Arabian shows, and I really have nothing against some of the horses, but the owners/handlers never wanted to speak to me, they were always too busy. Even when I went to visit a farm with Ms. Brister (where the horses were WAY too fat), the ladies there didn't really speak to me, just kinda passed over me, like I didn't matter (I feel like that often when talking to horse people). Ok, long post, and I see I am babbling.
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
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posted March 15, 2004 08:39 PM
My reason for posting is simply to show you just how good this cross is.
If the mare is the arab and the stallion is the WB the result will be smaller. Not every WB out there is huge. My boy is Hanovarian/anglo arab and he is just 16 hh.
here is a picture
and head shot
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Sandra-A1
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posted March 15, 2004 08:45 PM
LOL!
Of course they were busy HorseCrazy1981...they were at a show!
Showing is a lot of work..and really stressful for some people. Even if you happen to find someone who is sitting down they are grabbing a short rest, a bite to eat, cleaning tack, talking to their trainer or coach or thinking about their next class.
Still don't let that discourage you! Be outgoing and friendly no matter what. You will run into some wonderful people! Friendly, outgoing and eager to be helpful! Just don't give up yet!
If your at a show and you see a stallion in a class that you like, follow them back to their stall and simply say..."excuse me I know that you are very busy right now but would it be possible for me to drop back by later on as I am I mare owner and am interested in finding out more about your stallion. Usually you will recieve a "why of course you can!" reply and then you proceed to find out when would be the most convenient time. Sometimes they will hand you some literature about their stallion for you to look over. If they are not busy getting ready for another class they might proceed to show you their stallion and talk to you then and there!
The important thing is don't be shy and don't let the few bad apples keep you from meeting and getting aquainted with the "good guys!"
When you drop by the farms/ranches always make an appointment first. That way there will be someone ready and able to show you the stallion/s and answer your questions. Do not expect the employees to take time out to talk with you. Unless they have been assigned the job of showing possible clients around or the stallion/s they will not and should not do so!
Also realize that who ever is showing you around is taking time from their daily schedule for you so do ask your questions and look at what you want to see and then thank them and leave. If you think you need a bit more time schedule another visit. This let's them know that you realize they are running a business and have more to do than simply spend several hours with you.
Don't get me wrong here as there are stallion owners who will take you up to their house, put the coffee pot on or pour you a glass of iced tea and talk horses with you for hours! I hope you run into several of those, but when it comes to the larger facilities, or places where the stallion is also with the trainer you need to look at the stallion, ask your questions and leave. Even if you are asked to stay longer it is better to keep them no longer than necessary and then go.
If you serious about using their stallion then tell them so. If he is not for you then tell them thank you for all of their time but you do not feel their stallion is right for your mare. Honestly is always appreciated!
Hang in there HorseCrazy1981 and keep looking! You have more in common with these people than you might think. So keep looking and talking! Most Arabs are in the 14:2-15:2 hand range so you will find yourself the perfect stallion if you don't get in a hurry.
Since it is to be your last foal out of this mare then you want to find the perfect stallion. Keep that thought in mind and don't give up or get discouraged! Take all the time it takes!
Good Luck to you!
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HorseCrazy1981
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posted March 16, 2004 06:58 AM
Maybe a Gypsy Vanner??
What do you guys think of him??
Or maybe this stud??
[ March 16, 2004, 07:23 AM: Message edited by: HorseCrazy1981 ]
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I love my babies!!
Beauty--Heinz 57 mare
Prince--TB gelding
Black--Arab/TW mare
Buffy--Belgian mare
Angel--Arabian mare
Desiree--Arabian mare
Eventually I have to get up off my lazy butt and do something.
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posted March 16, 2004 07:53 AM
that bottom stud is Latcho Drom owned by Dennis Thompson, and he's standing at Gypsy Gold Farm...if anyone cares to know. :-D
lol sorry - can't resist popping in for a comment when there's a Gypsy Cob around!
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